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    popa_bar_abba
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    “When a wife strays, it is far worse than when a husband does, since the relationship the wife has is supposed to be an exclusive relationship.”

    the inference being that the relationship the husband has is not supposed to be exclusive?

    That was precisely what I meant. I thought my intent was clear, but I would have spelled it out expressly otherwise.

    A husband’s relationship with his wife was never intended to be exclusive. See, ?????, ????, ????, etc.

    I presume Rabeinu Gershom decided that men were no longer able to maintain the multiple relationships properly.

    #763400

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    But since Rabenu Gershom’s time, isn’t it supposed to be exclusive?

    #763401

    aries2756
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    What is the halacha if a husband strays with a married woman?

    #763402

    popa_bar_abba
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    But since Rabenu Gershom’s time, isn’t it supposed to be exclusive?

    I don’t know. He never made an extra ban on a man just seeing another woman on the side, did he? It is about marriage.

    In any event, it certainly is not just as bad as a woman.

    What is the halacha if a husband strays with a married woman?

    He is executed.

    #763403

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    See, ?????, ????, ????, etc.

    Actually, Yitzchok only had one wife (and no concubines).

    What is the halacha if a husband strays with a married woman?

    With proper warning and witnesses, halacha prescribes the death penalty. Of course, that didn’t happen very often.

    Clairvoyant, where does Treason Act 1351 prescribe the death penalty to Diana for her infidelity? Please quote the exact wording, since I’m not seeing it.

    It’s possible that the act only defines the relationship as treasonous and that the penalty for treason is in another act.

    Nonetheless, as I pointed out above, it was a moot point as there was no way she would have been prosecuted for it (and certainly no way she would have been executed for it), even if it were discovered in time.

    It should also be noted that the death penalty for treason was abolished in the UK in 1998 (which was already after Diana’s death).

    The Wolf

    #763404

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    So a woman today should not necessarily expect a husband’s fidelity and this behavior would be kasher v’yashar; am I understanding this properly?

    #763405

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    So a woman today should not necessarily expect a husband’s fidelity and this behavior would be kasher v’yashar; am I understanding this properly?

    My guess is that such behavior is not proper.

    But my question to you is: Why are you so sure it is not proper? I hope it isn’t because you think there needs to be parity between the sexes.

    #763406

    WolfishMusings
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    So a woman today should not necessarily expect a husband’s fidelity and this behavior would be kasher v’yashar; am I understanding this properly?

    No, you are not. A wife has every right to expect her husband’s fidelity.

    In the age of monogamy, a wife has every right to expect that her husband will not take another wife (mistress, concubine, etc.).

    Even in the age of polygyny, she could stipulate upon marriage that he cannot take any additional wives without her consent.

    The Wolf

    #763407

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    My guess is that such behavior is not proper.

    You guess?????? Can you find me ONE rav who will say that it’s okay for a married man to have an unmarried mistress on the side?

    The Wolf

    #763408

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    You guess?????? Can you find me ONE rav who will say that it’s okay for a married man to have an unmarried mistress on the side?

    No. But I bet david99 can.

    (Hee Hee. Couldn’t resist.)

    #763409

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    “When a wife strays, it is far worse than when a husband does, since the relationship the wife has is supposed to be an exclusive relationship.”

    “My guess is that such behavior is not proper.”

    The implication of the first statement is that the husband is not supposed to be in an exclusive relationship (in today’s day & age). A woman needs more stability and ne’emanus. There’s no “too yeshivish” in this area!

    #763410

    mosherose
    Member

    Goyish famous marriages never last. Just look at Hollywood where everyone gets divorced about three weeks after getting married.

    #763411

    Midwest2
    Participant

    Is there any rhyme or reason to this thread? What shaiches does the British royal family have to do with us? They’re all descendents of George I, who was a lout from some small principality in Germany. Check their history – most of them were womanizers, idiots or both (except for Queen Victoria, who had other problems). The mystery for me is how a sensible-sounding person like Kate could be induced to marry into such a family. Look at what she’s getting for a father-in-law, for one thing.

    Or maybe William pleaded with her to overlook his background and take him on his own merits. Hopefully he’ll be the “black sheep” of the family and actually live a responsible life.

    #763412

    ronrsr
    Member

    George I may have been an ignorant lout, but his genes only comprise a small portion of the current royal’s makeup. There have been many kind, decent, intelligent, hardworking and even philosemitic descendants.

    Happily married monarchs seem to include, their majesties George III (Fat George), Victoria, George V, George VI and Elizabeth II. Hardworking conscientious monarchs include George III, Victoria,George V, George VI and Elizabeth II. Edward VII maintained friendships with Jews, despite the public and press pressure not to.

    Who among us does not have a lout or two in our family tree?

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