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  • #683249
    asdfghjkl
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    tal: thanx for updatin this thread!!!

    im: wow such a beutiful story!!! shows hashem runs the world perfectly!!

    #683250
    qwertyuiop
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    lm: wow, that’s a great inspirational story.$

    #683251
    tal
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    Lashon Hara can come in any form. It can be written or verbal or through the use of expressions or any other way you can think. (We can see the issur of writing when Yoav showed David HaMelech’s letter to Bnei Yisrael.)

    Nor do you have permission to include someone else with your negative comment about yourself. (We see this in Yirmiyahu.)

    Im: “kal regah viregah sheadam choshev piv liginut zoche lioor sheein kal malach oobiriah yachol lishar.” Every moment that a person closes his mouth to negativity he merits the light that every malach and briah can’t experience. If you think your business and family meritted this much from preventing the spread of single piece of information that was fairly public, imagine the reward in the next world. I am jelous of you in that respect.

    #683252
    qwertyuiop
    Member

    tal: thanx for the update.$

    #683253
    asdfghjkl
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    tal: thanx that was great!!! keep up the updating on this chashuv thread!!!

    #683254
    tal
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    When the person spoken about is present at the time the information is related and does not protest: Do not assume he is in agreement as he may believe there is no point in fighting, he did not want to cause further machloket, or even if he usually argues assume he overcame his yetzer in this instance. (You can also assume he is just better than the person speaking!)

    The person relating the information has additional aveirot of embarresing someone publicly aside from the dozens of aveirot and the kilkulim.

    #683255
    asdfghjkl
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    tal: thanx, that was great!!!

    mods: any word from the CCHF abt adding it????

    #683256
    TJ
    Member

    See shmirashalashon.blogspot.com

    The website translates the Chofetz Chaim’s Sefer Shmiras Halashon into English.

    According to the Shmiras Halashon Yomi calendar, this is the post for today: http://shmirashalashon.blogspot.com/2007/12/shmiras-halashon-shevat-15-one-hundred.html

    Happy Tu B’shvat!

    ( P.S. Tommorow’s lesson is at http://shmirashalashon.blogspot.com/2007/12/shmiras-halashon-shevat-16-one-hundred.html )

    #683257
    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    TJ: wow thanx!! that’s awesome!!!

    #683258
    Curious
    Member

    Chofetz Chaim: A Daily Companion – Shidduch Supplement.

    It is recommended that you decline to give information about a person you have dated.

    #683259
    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    Curious: good quick thought!!!

    #683260
    tal
    Member

    A middah tovah limaalah is never to reveal private information about another person unless they tell you go and say. To the point that Moshe Rabbeinu would not have given us the Torah but for the fact that Hashem told him to.

    But, we for the most part are not at that point. Therefore, use indicators to judge if you can reveal the information and the stronger indicator when contradicotry indicators present. For example, your friend stands in front of you and tells everyone passing by information and to keep it quiet; you need to decide which indicator is stronger.

    #683261
    qwertyuiop
    Member

    thanx for the update tal.$

    #683262
    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    tal: thanx!!! that was great!!! it’s so nice that you keep adding to this thread!!!

    #683263
    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    Listening to or Believing Lashon Hara:

    Listening to Lashon Hara is generally prohibited for two reasons:

    (1) It is forbidden to accept or believe Lashon Hara, and by listening to it one might cause himself to believe it.

    (2) By participating in a session of Lashon Hara, the listener would be assisting the other participants to commit the sins of speaking and believing the Lashon Hara.

    Believing Lashon Hara is forbidden regardless of the subject (family, friend, enemy, etc.), and regardless of the speaker (teacher, parent, spouse, etc.). Only if the subject is known to commit certain sins or have other problems, it might be permissible to believe it. In any case, someone can suspect that the Lashon Hara might be true, such that the listener should take precautions to protect himself from harm.

    If information against someone might be of benefit to another (e.g. a potential business partner, roommate, etc.), it is permissible for that person to listen to it. (The listener should state why he is listening to the information so that the speaker realizes that the intentions of the listener are constructive, and also so that the speaker doesn’t intend to speak for non-constructive reasons.) However, the listener is forbidden from:

    (1) accepting the information as true (he may only suspect and investigate), or

    (2) taking action against the subject based on the information.

    If caught in a group of people who are speaking Lashon Hara, one should try and leave the group or change the topic. If stuck there:

    (1) decide in one’s heart/mind not to accept the Lashon Hara as true.

    (2) do not enjoy the Lashon Hara (because the subject is being shamed, its a funny story, etc.).

    (3) do not pretend to agree or accept the Lashon Hara (make a face, don’t make eye contact, or at least wear a blank expression)

    If someone starts speaking Lashon Hara, try to privately and respectfully tell them that speaking Lashon Hara is forbidden. The best way to prevent others from speaking Lashon Hara is by setting a good example.

    #683264
    asdfghjkl
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    mods what ever happened with the CCHF thing for this thread??? maybe till then we un-sticky this thread????

    #683265
    asdfghjkl
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    mods can we please un-sticky this thread, for now!!!!!

    #683266
    qwertyuiop
    Member

    asdfghjkl: i disagree with you(the only time), tal may decide to pop up again, and then (s)he may not be able to find it.$

    #683267
    asdfghjkl
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    qwertyuiop: good this is the only thing we disagree on!!! i updated this thread & seems like no one even noticed it!!!

    #683268
    qwertyuiop
    Member

    asdfghjkl: well, you updated it last nite, when i wasn’t here, and obviously i noticed it, because we’re having this conversation, right here.$

    #683269
    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    qwertyuiop: look above, i updated it last week!!! don’t worry abt it!!!

    #683270
    qwertyuiop
    Member

    asdfghjkl: i know, and why don’t look when the tehillim thread was last updated.$

    #683271
    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    qwertyuiop: yup yup!!!!

    #683272
    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    qwertyuiop: yeah i know abt the sefer tehillim one being updated last wk!!! i didn’t want to write anything there, cuz it looks cool your name up there!!!

    #683273
    qwertyuiop
    Member

    asdfghjkl: i was thinking of posting something there, but i wanted to wait and see how long it takes for somebody else to post on it.$

    #683274
    anonymisss
    Participant

    off topic, uh oh!

    ~a~

    #683276
    kapusta
    Participant

    anonymisss are you also a mod? jk I was actually planning on writing the same thing I dont know what happened that I didnt

    #683277
    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    anonymisss: it is not!!!!

    qwertyuiop: remember when the mogen av thread was our own thread!!!!

    #683278
    qwertyuiop
    Member

    asdfghjkl: yeah, but i guess now, we could switch it to this thread.$

    #683279
    asdfghjkl
    Participant

    qwertyuiop: yup, sounds great!!!!

    #683280
    TJ
    Member
    #683284
    kapusta
    Participant

    mods did anyone ever set up some sort of system with the CCHF or maybe a mod can do what mod 72 does every week for the DT thread, assign days to give out lessons.

    *kapusta*

    #683285
    aussieboy
    Participant

    ames: I doubt it because otherwise everyones mitzvos and aveiros are flying all over the place.

    #683286
    an open book
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    ames: there is some concept of that, but i don’t know if it’s that simple.

    #683287
    moish01
    Member

    really? hey you guys could talk about me as much as you want. as long as you keep everything else i’ll be fine.

    #683288
    mepal
    Member

    Sounds too easy. Its probably some complicated stuff they learn in the Zohar.

    #683289
    an open book
    Participant

    aussie: yeah & then nobody’s getting what they really deserve

    #683290
    kapusta
    Participant

    There is a concept like that, however I dont think anyone understands it completely. I read (in sefer chofetz chaim) its not a complete “transfer” if that would be the case, most people would just be “exchanging” their olam haba back and forth with some people when they talk about them and the other side is doing the same thing.

    *kapusta*

    #683291
    d a
    Member

    Hey guys, I pulled this out for you. Use it!

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