Should Criminals Be Sold As Slaves?

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    Joseph
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    Should criminals be turned into slaves, in accordance with the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?

    #1560958
    Redleg
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    Joseph, the 13th Amendment refers to involuntary servitude, not slavery per se. Convicted criminal do, in fact, perform mandatory labor and are, in some States, “rented out” to perform such labor for private entities. As far as selling them as chattel slaves, to whom could they be sold? Once sold, they would no longer incarcerated and subject to the 13th. so no private or corporate entity could legally own them. Any such sale would be void ab initio .

    #1561060

    that used to happen. they were called chain gangs or something

    #1561092
    Avram in MD
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    It is already routinely happening in the U.S., although they don’t use the term “slavery” for it.

    #1561221
    zahavasdad
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    Sometimes frum Jews are convicted of commiting a crimes, You know this would apply to them too

    #1561297
    Joseph
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    “As far as selling them as chattel slaves, to whom could they be sold?”

    I’d bet interested in buying one. Other are too, I’m sure.

    “Once sold, they would no longer incarcerated and subject to the 13th. so no private or corporate entity could legally own them. Any such sale would be void ab initio .”

    Incorrect. The 13th Amendment specifically permits convicted criminals to either be enslaved or committed to involuntary servitude. Constitutionally the law can be set that the punishment for a crime is enslavement. There’s no requirement under the 13th that the criminal be incarcerated while enslaved.

    “Sometimes frum Jews are convicted of commiting a crimes, You know this would apply to them too”

    Do you favor abolishing the death penalty, life imprisonment and other long term imprisonment? Those can r’l affect Yidden too.

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Who wants a criminal as a slave?

    #1561320
    jdf007
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    I’m sure they’ll be required to be treated better than those illegals that some folks are so keen on “protecting”. The things they do to those folks should be illegal….but they are.

    #1561330
    Joseph
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    RY23: The Torah prescribes selling a thief as a slave. So Hashem believes there’s a market for them.

    #1562203

    There are contradictory methods of slavery
    One brings the servant up
    the other holds him/her down

    we of course are proponents of the former

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