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-Intellegent
Actually I spoke to him about it many times he knows how bad it is so he doesn’t want his son to get into it. He is trying to cut it out but once you start….its like any addiction. I don’t understand it but I feel bad for those who are stuck in it. I’ll probably never understand it because I hope my husband is not into sports! Really it’s like any other taava a person has. Good for you on your acomplishments! I hope other people who want to get out of the rut can do like you did.
“Can someone please explain to me exactly what is “not kosher” about sports”
its not “not kosher”
its simply a lowly derech, a goyish derech.
if it fits well into your mahalch, it is not “not kosher”
jphone
ever saw the advertisements during the super bowl? fill your brain with mud instead, it’s safer for your neshama.
postsemgirl,
I understood that you meant that he wants to get out of it. But he probably so badly wants to listen that he is not doing enough to get out of it. In other words, he knows intellectually that he should just pull himself out of it and stop the nonsense but when he gets up in the morning he probably is sooooooo curious what is going on with the mets or the yankees (I so have no clue about sports, lol!) So he needs to take action not just cut down here and there. That is the only way.
jphone,
Off the top of my head, I think an other point that was mentioned was that the sports celebreties are not people we want to emulate or spend time talking about.
Maybe someone should summarize that pros and cons mentioned. (not me)
“ever saw the advertisements during the super bowl? fill your brain with mud instead, it’s safer for your neshama.”
. No. I have not seen the ads during the super bowl. I dont own a television, and neither does my grandmother (thats where all my classmates used to watch TV).
. I’d rather fill my head with football, baseball, hockey and even mud, instead of the ignorant, hateful, vile trash that is spewed by some yidden about other yidden on YWN (which is of course 100% kosher because it is written under the banner of “yeshiva” and “frumkeit”.
“I think an other point that was mentioned was that the sports celebreties are not people we want to emulate or spend time talking about”.
Neither are 50% of the people reported on and about on YWN. Who is idolizing a sports figure?
-Intellegent
I see. But it is hard to get rid of a taava in one day just like that. It needs to be done in steps. You don’t think so?
postsemgirl,
I agree with you 100%. As I said, I was never really in that situation and I (am not a pro. Don’t know why I am getting into this). that’s why maybe he should get rid of it a little at a time but whatever he does should be 100%.
Let me clarify. Let’s say, he decides to remove his radio from his car and he travels an hour a day, for that hour he might miss out on a specific update or whatever and it might kill him but eventually he’ll get used to it. Whatever. Maybe no radio motzei shabbos and he can make up an activity with his wife to do instead. the best would be if he could “appoint” someone to “check up” on him but he might not want to do that.
So i don’t mean he should suddenly stop cold turkey but he has to be strong about it.
-intellegent
I’m not either a pro since I am not into sports. I am not a boy. Sounds like a good idea. Thanks.
In conclusion, I don’t think there should be a sports thread cuz look at what trouble someone could get into.
jphone
sports may be better than L”H. granted. but my grandmother does own a TV and i did watch the super bowl a couple of years back. some of those ads are disgusting and should be rated R. not sure if that’s better than L”H.
different strokes for different folks.
for some people, sports is one of the few “kosher” outlets. for some people, sports is not kosher to begin with.
you decide what level youre on.
i think its pathetic when yeshiva boys come home just to watch the superbowl [IT HAPPENS] not just because of the definitely-not-kosher-ads, but also because sports for many boys is an obsession, and i think an obsession with anything is PURE AVODAH ZARA. an obsession with a player, or a team, is an insane idea. it doesnt make sense logically, when you think about it. the only obsession we should be having is with Torah and limud haTorah.
btw, were not talking addiction here. different story for a differnet thread.
where in the world do you people come up with such thoughts, addiction?? and if you spend your morning on the phone with your friends, are you addicted? if you love speaking about the latest styles,are you addicted? do you really think anyone will find out information from ywn. that they don’t know already. you don’t read papers or hear the news? don’t turn this into a monster. if you don’t want it, don’t read it. we are not children. if you don’t trust ywn. to watch what is being said about any topic, find another hobby. anyone that has an addiction problem will have it even without the sports thread.
brooklyn19,
How bout no Lashon hara and no sports!? What a brainstorm!
(BTW, whoever says it’s not “as bad” as Lashon hara, fine, but are we opening a thread devoted to lashon hara?)
Amichai. A true intelligent post 🙂
Amichai nailed it on the head. One person’s addiction is anothers hobby. What’s the distinction? My obsession is a hobby, yours is an addiction. It’s like the old definition of the difference between comedy and tragedy. If you slip on a banana peel, it’s comedy. If I slip on it, it’s tragedy. We are , in theory all adults. If you like talking about cell phones,or sufganiyot fine. If you like to talk about sports, also fine. However, if you prefer not to talk about a subject, don’t assume the role of mashgiach and determine that noone esle can read what you don’t like. You have a choice. Exercise it by not opening up threads you are not intersested in.
agreed
intellegent
i guess you do have something intelligent to say once in a while. lol :}
Hmmmm…..
If eating Sufganiyot was a sport, would a sports thread then be muttar?
“but my grandmother does own a TV and i did watch the super bowl a couple of years back. some of those ads are disgusting and should be rated R.”
Probably true. What does that have to with discussing sports?
“How bout no Lashon hara and no sports!? What a brainstorm!”
What about, no lashon hara, no sports and no blogging?
“(BTW, whoever says it’s not “as bad” as Lashon hara, fine, but are we opening a thread devoted to lashon hara?)”
Any thread that discusses any person or group is a potential thread for lashon hara.
“However, if you prefer not to talk about a subject, don’t assume the role of mashgiach and determine that noone esle can read what you don’t like.”
I dont get it. Weren’t we asked our opinion?
Opinion is – yes or no. Not, its assur and your a goy for doing so.
to Intelligent,
I agree, we were. I was just offering my opinion of someone who would censor my ability to discuss a topic that I might be intersted in just because they are not.
jphone,
okay, so don’t blog.
“Any thread that discusses any person or group is a potential thread for lashon hara.”
Okay, so maybe suggest that they be closed.
BTW, listening to R’Shafier’s shmuz titled “Heroes” may give you a different perspective on sports and athletes.
http://www.theshmuz.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Shmuz_Number_61
There’s something to learn from everyone.
uh yeah, if u dont like the sports thread, dont read it
just curious- will there be a sports thread or not. how long does it take the decision commitee to decide? not critisizing, just asking.
amichai – just go ahead and start one. If the mods are in a good mood they’ll approve it, otherwise try your luck another time.
Do sports athletes have blogs where they discuss the yeshiva world?
Squeak- ???? Do they KNOW the yeshiva world?! ……yeah didn’t think so!
They may not discuss the Yeshiva world but they do discuss…..
Good places to go on vacation.
Places to get a good meal (OK so it isnt chulent)
The best private schools available in various cities
The latest politics
The latest news and tidbits that affect members of the aythletic community
Other Athletes
The hat other athletes do or dont wear (OK the blog I refer to is about goalies masks, not hats, but close enough)
In short, the same narishkeit one can find on YWN one can find on the blog of an athlete.
You do all the things they do. So you see yourself as being just like them? Is that your point?
what happens when you put Joseph, jphone & squeak in a locked room for an hour?
this should be on the riddle thread…
“So you see yourself as being just like them?”
Thats how YOU choose to see me.
Let me make my point, and if you dont get it (or dont have the mental capacity to get it), I wont bother to repeat myself.
For the 6th time. There are times I would prefer to blog about sports and sports figures than how many latkes I ate on chanuka, which YWN moderator is my personal favorite (its moderator 1,346,876 by the way) or the latest “psak” issued by the YWN beis din about wearing a hat, or trying to “out” another blogger.
“what happens when you put Joseph, jphone & squeak in a locked room for an hour?” Joseph and Squeak would daven biyichidus because they are not macshiv tefila bitsibur, while I blogged on ESPNs web site (since YWN wont put up a sports thread) until it is time for minyan at the local shul.
Let me get this straight.
Its OK for YWN to run an ad for the Haifa Heat, but it is assur for them to host a sports thread?
I wonder how the Haifa Heat would react when they found out they are paying for an ad on a site whose editors felt it wasnt proper to have a forum to discuss sports. Either that, or they are afraid how Joseph and Squeak would react.
jphone – This is the sports thread! Just ignore the title of the thread…
How about those Haifa Heat?
I think that I am the most misunderstood poster in the CR
not by all
“I think that I am the most misunderstood poster in the CR”
“Not by all”
A mother always understands her babies cry.
goodness gracious! I think we have Joseph, squeak and jphone all in the same room!
Good point jphone, I just noticed that as well. How about those Haifa Heat?
Whats wrong with sports. What’s the Hava Amina not to allow sports in the CR?
squeak- you’re the only one that can help you cuz ur the CR psychologist. So go analyze “I think that I am the most misunderstood poster in the CR” and get back to us- k?
In a locked room or in a locker room?
yu- bochur:
a previous post:
“Can someone please explain to me exactly what is “not kosher” about sports”
its not “not kosher”
its simply a lowly derech, a goyish derech.
if it fits well into your mahalch, it is not “not kosher”
no reason it shouldnt be allowed here in my opinion. this is “yeshiva world” not “trying my best to utilize OlamHaZeh purely for the sake of the RibbonoShelOlam world”
notpashut- good chapp
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