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    R Chaim Mintz writes that he asked Steipler in person whether it is appropriate (raui) for the yeshiva to allow students attend college several night a week. R Chaim Kanevsky interjected explaining to his father that in America there is a “sugya” of going to college.

    Steipler suggested to have two separate yeshivos – one that learns b’tahora and another that allows college. R Mintz then asked – what if it is impossible to have separate yeshivos? Steipler thought about it and said “I do not know”.

    The hilarious part: R Ruderman visited soon and Steipler told him that his student came with the question. R Ruderman then asked R Mintz whethter it was him who asked and, when confirmed, said “I knew it was you, I knew it was you”. [Not clear to me how R Mintz dared to challenge his Rebbe’s position in this way].

    A separate story – R Twersky wrote to Steipler (who was a distant relative) whether he should attend medical school. Steipler gave him several safeguards – go to mikvah regular (dont remember whether daily or weekly); have a hevrusa for mussar or chassidus; and something else I can’t recall.

    #2576783
    Ishpurim
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    Harav GS said that if there is a heter umnus , it is not chal more than twice a week. So therefore you see that Daas Torah both here and EY is mamash the same. ( The Holy Voloshiner Netziv said that the heter is only chal….). The Rabbonim Hageonim who established RIETS held the same thing. Were it not for Harav Zelmanovitch ( a talmid of the Avnei Nezer) they would not have allowed any RY that was a gimnasium bachur, just like the Mir, where the Mashgiach rejected RYB and took RCS. It is the same psak wherever you go. The right wing RY’s from RIETS went lechayim ulesholom to Touro. It was a mechayeh to see the well dressed bachurim from CB attending BC and some even won the Nobel Prizes and became Chassidic Rebbes.

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    pekak
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    @Always_Ask_Questions

    Rabbi Twerski wasn’t a relative. He never needed mikvah to be suggested. He was a chassid and he went every day regardless.

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    Ishpurim, thanks for references. Of course, it is not a one issue here and not one person. There is a world of difference between 19th and 21st century; between studying humanities, philosophy, accounting, or computer science, or math. Each of these is different. And there is a world of difference between a guy from a shtetl or borough, and a Litvak or Yakki who has several generations of professions/college.

    So, presumably, Steipler’s advice was for bochrim of Ner Isroel and type of evening college they can take (and obviously stay in yeshiva, not on campus).

    Other example – R Auerbach did not allow secular studies, but allowed R Lau to prepare for bagrut on his own in the evening and even chastised him for lack of interest in sciences.

    In truth, a lot of the issues are about social and community preservation aspects. Gemorah is not against umanut, in fact strongly recommends it. So, learning accounting or physics or engineering or medicine should not be a problem by anyone! It is just being part of the wrong chevra … Rambam was one who encountered this issue when he lived near Fes medrasa where top sciences of his time were taught (Arabs insist it was the first modern “university” before Sorbonne and Oxford) – and only muslims were allowed in. It is verifiable from his works that he acquired that knowledge. We just don’t know how.

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    The little I know
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    Actually, the letter from the Steipler to Rabbi Twersky is published. If I recall correctly, the conditions were that he must learn for several hours a day, go to mikva daily, and learn mussar daily (I think a half hour). The letter should be in the sefer קריינא דאיגרתא, a collection of letters froom the Steipler. The Steipler was not a relative. But he came from the town of Hornesteipel where the Twersky family came from. His father was a chossid by Rav Mordechai Dov, and later by his son R’ Leibele. Rabbi Twersky was a grandson of R’ Leibele. The name “Steipler” was shortened from Hornesteipel (known in Ukraine as Gornostopol).

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    TLIK, thanks, yes, I confounded learning daily and learning mussar and for the family tree. I don’t think I saw the letter, but saw R Twersky quoting it.
    I think he said – I can quote it now as it was published, but you just demonstrated how good my memory is!

    #2578339
    fallsburger
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    Assuming it is acceptable to attend college. If you live in the USA, where could you study?

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    Touro, YU, any local college where you can live at home,
    Honor program at Brooklyn College

    Online: Arizona asu, u of Florida, oregon, southern ne Hampshire

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