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  • #1665054

    2scents
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    While a lot of parents are emotional and buy into the claim that vaccines have caused their childs autism. It is not hard to understand why they would buy into this idea, nor are they to blame.

    Yet it is important to note, there has been a drastic decrease in vaccinations, families with one sibling that has been diagnosed with ASD, are less likely to vaccinate their other younger children, most likely due to the belief that vaccines were the cause to their child’s autism.

    However, the rate of ASD diagnoses have no dropped, nor are these families chances of their other children diagnosed with ASD less likely, despite withholding vaccines, in fact, these families have an increased chance of having their other children diagnosed with ASD, as like most diseases and disorders autism seems to be a genetic disease.

    #1665093

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: “However, the rate of ASD diagnoses have no dropped, nor are these families chances of their other children diagnosed with ASD less likely, despite withholding vaccines”.

    LIE! In the Autistic Sibling study, the younger siblings who did not get MMR and were autistic were Vaccinated – yet you keep LYING that 100% unvaccinated children got autism!
    The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.
    The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.
    The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.
    The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.

    I told you this a million times and you keep repeating that LIE! SHAME ON YOU!

    #1665094

    doomsday
    Participant

    Younger siblings of autistic children who are 100% UNVACCINATED do not have autism!

    There is a genetic component, just like there is a genetic component to get lung cancer.
    But if you don’t smoke you won’t get lung cancer,
    and if you don’t vaccinate you won’t get autism. (only 1:10,000)

    #1665095

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: “You do realize by now that what many people state have no bearing if it were true, ”

    2cents, I did not base my opinion on what thousands of parents have reported.
    Why are you ignoring the other FIVE reasons I gave for believing vaccines are harmful?

    1. There are THOUSANDS of parents who reported that their NORMAL children became autistic after vaccination. Many developed high fevers and seizures and then regressed into autism.

    2. BEFORE CDC quadrupled the vaccine schedule, autism was 1:10,000 – today it is 1:50.

    3. There are hundreds of studies by REAL PhD Scientists and Medical Doctors linking Vaccines to Autism – and many other diseases.

    4. CDC refuses to do a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.

    5. CDC makes FRAUDULENT studies – and I SPECIFICALLY Pointed out the FRAUD, which was exposed by real PhD Scientists.

    6. There IS a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study showing that unvaxxed children have far less autism, learning disabilities, allergies, asthma.

    #1665154

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    Ok, I’m going to have my fun for tonight, then watch these fireworks for another few weeks.

    @doomsday:

    1. “Thousands of parents report autism after vaccination”: Already shlugged up dozens of times in this thread. Diagnosis and symptoms for autism happen around the same time that kids get their first shots. That’s why you need scientific double-blind studies. Which there were. And they showed zero correlation.
    2. “Autism rates went to 1:10”: Shlugged up time and again. We simply got better at diagnosing autism instead of declaring everyone retarded or slow
    3. “Hundreds of studies” No there aren’t. You claim that that there’s a list of hundreds of studies, but the only list any of us found contained hundreds of studies that did not show a link between vaccines and autism. I even provided an article that debunked the studies one at a time, but you waved your hands and dismissed it because (and I quote) “The guy who wrote it is a doctor and can’t be trusted”.
    4. “CDC never did a comparison study”: Yes they did. You just have a very narrow criteria (based on your vast knowledge of science and years of dedicated study, no doubt) of what you expect a comparison study to be and the CDC never hit that.
    5. “Fraudulent CDC studies”: Only a small handful out of many many other studies. Not enough to even cast a shadow on the research. And in the worst offenders, the fraud was monetary and didn’t affect the actual data or research (the Danish Study).
    6. “Unvaxxed kids have less autism”: There’s one study that people claim shows this, but you’re simply misinterpreting the results. Have you ever done what I suggested and emailed the authors to see if they recommend vaccinating? The results may shock you.
    #1665142

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: “While a lot of parents are emotional and buy into the claim that vaccines have caused their childs autism. It is not hard to understand why they would buy into this idea, nor are they to blame. ”

    The millions of relatives who said that cigarettes caused their loved one’s cancer – were they just
    being “emotional”? Or were they 100% RIGHT, while the Tobacco Industry LIED and DENIED for
    DECADES that smoking causes cancer.
    Until the Smokers vs Non-Smokers proved once and for all that Smoking causes cancer.

    Which study does CDC /Vaccine Industry refuse to do?
    Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed

    Because that would PROVE that vaccines cause autism and MANY OTHER diseases!

    #1665141

    doomsday
    Participant

    There is another free ebook: miller’s review 400 vaccine studies that show vaccines are harmful.

    #1665140

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquiton: “and unlike vaccines which have been shown in dozens and dozens of studies that they dont cause autism, ”

    There is a free e-book listing 1,200 studies that vaccines are harmful.
    STOP lying that there are no studies that vaccines are dangerous.
    Google: ebook 1200 studies vaccines the truth will prevail

    #1665171

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Comparing autism to cancer is despicable.

    #1665178

    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbius:“Thousands of parents report autism after vaccination”: Already shlugged up dozens of times in this thread. Diagnosis and symptoms for autism happen around the same time that kids get their first shots. That’s why you need scientific double-blind studies. Which there were. And they showed zero correlation.”

    There was NEVER a double blind vaccine study. CDC claims that would be “unethical”.
    CDC even refuses to do a RETROSPECTIVE vaxxed vs unvaxxed study – with no explanation.
    And SCIENTISTS have pointed out the intentional fraud in CDC studies which I have SPECIFICALLY pointed out the fraud.

    What a coincidence that autism shows up right after shots. Just like 90% of SIDS occurs within a short time after shots. Just a “coincidence”. NOT!!!

    #1665188

    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbius: ““Hundreds of studies” No there aren’t. ”

    Yes there are. There is an ebook with 1200 vaccine danger studies and another ebook with 400
    studies showing dangers of vaccine (written by MEDICAL doctor).
    And Scientists have DEBUNKED the CDC studies, NONE of the CDC studies were double blind
    studies and CDC even refuses to do a Retrospective Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study – with No explanation.
    CDC can get away with that because Pharmaceutical is the biggest Donor/Briber of Congress!
    And 70% of all Media advertising is Pharmaceutical Industry, so they control the News, too.

    #1665187

    doomsday
    Participant

    RebYid: “Comparing autism to cancer is despicable. ”

    I’m not comparing autism to cancer.
    I am comparing Tobacco Industry to Pharmaceutical Industry.

    #1665186

    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbius: ““Autism rates went to 1:50”: Shlugged up time and again. We simply got better at diagnosing autism instead of declaring everyone retarded or slow”

    The original definition of autism was NON VERBAL Autism which was 1:10,000 in 1970.
    Today 1:150 are NON-VERBAL Autistic.
    Per 1982 report Prevalence of Mental Retardation 1982 – “Children with I.Q. below 50…prevalence rate approximately 4 per thousand” Pg. 4.
    So whether you call it severe retardation or non verbal autism it was 1:250 in 1980 – and that was mostly DOWN SYNDROME. “idiopathic” (no known cause) retardation or autism was 1: 10,000.
    And now it is 1:150 NON VERBAL Autism – so autism/retardation rate has SKY ROCKETED and the
    FAKE NEWS and CDC Propaganda are LYING!

    #1665193

    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbius:“Fraudulent CDC studies”: Only a small handful out of many many other studies. Not enough to even cast a shadow on the research. And in the worst offenders, the fraud was monetary and didn’t affect the actual data or research (the Danish Study).

    1. No – the STUDY was fraudulent. In the Danish study, the researchers LIED that autism rate went UP after thimerosal was removed. This “increase” was BEFORE thimerosal was removed they only counted autistic children in HOSPITALS. After Thimerosal was removed they counted Autistic Children living AT HOME. There are 10x more autistic children at home then in hospitals – that is how the Fake Researchers claimed autism went up.
    They also EXPANDED the definition of autism AFTER Thimerosal was removed to FRAUDULENTLY inflate the number of autism after Thimerosal was removed!

    2. In the Sibling-Autism Study, the researchers acknowledged “healthy user bias” – that children who are already showing signs of autism are more likely not to get MMR which skews the results.
    That is why it is UNSCIENTIFIC not to RANDOMIZE who gets MMR and who does not.
    The researchers also acknowledged that it was possible that some of the children listed as “No MMR” actually GOT the MMR, as it was based on insurance claims, and children could have been vaccinated at clinics and there would be no insurance record. So the whole study was INVALID.

    3. In the vaccine injury trial of Yates Hazlehurst, Government Lawyers LIED that Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion is that Vaccines NEVER cause Autism when Dr. Zimmerman TOLD the Government Lawyers that Vaccines CAN cause Autism! In Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion, Yates Hazlehurst’s autism WAS caused by vaccines, but Government Lawyers LIED that Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion is that vaccines NEVER cause autism. Another example of government LYING to cover up Vaccines Cause Autism!

    4. CDC conducted study in PHILIPPINES showing Vaccinated children score higher on tests. But in Philippines vaccinated children have better educated parents and better food and clean water then unvaxxed kids – THAT is why vaxxed kids score higher. And in Philippines, children get MUCH MUCH FEWER Vaccines then in USA so the whole study is FRAUDULENT!

    #1665281

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    dooms

    “There is a free e-book listing 1,200 studies that vaccines are harmful.
    STOP lying that there are no studies that vaccines are dangerous.”

    First of all, Ive been limiting my comments to Vaccines adn autism (the reason for that is such research is easy you just compare 2 groups looking at 2 outcomes, looking for “danger” is somewhat nebulous how do you define danger, when yo uget desperate you will say that any time the skin is pierced it is theoretically dangerous as pathogens can be introduced.)
    Secondly, while I’ll grant that I havent gone through all 1,200.
    We started with 10 that you provided. 0% of them showed a link between vaccine and autism. you then provided an 11th, which wasnt really a study (asking parent s if they vaccinated and if their kids are autistic is about as meaningful as my coin flip study that proved if everyone vaccinates all disease and suffering would end)
    Thus assumign the sample I looked at is representative of the entre body of literature. IT is safe to conclude that there are zero studies showing such a link.
    Nonethless, as before, if there ias any particular study that you like, I’d love to have a look and either stand corrected or point out the flaw in the study or your understanding of it.

    Please lets limit to one study at a time,

    “The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.
    The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.
    The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.
    The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.”

    I see your repeated gibberish x 4. and I’ll raise you with the answer you were given to that nonsense x 5
    The study was looking at MMR
    The study was looking at MMR
    The study was looking at MMR
    The study was looking at MMR
    The study was looking at MMR

    #1665282

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Whether you call it cancer or measles, you should vaccinate.

    #1665419

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -” In the vaccine injury trial of Yates Hazlehurst, Government Lawyers LIED that Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion is that Vaccines NEVER cause Autism when Dr. Zimmerman TOLD the Government Lawyers that Vaccines CAN cause Autism! In Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion, Yates Hazlehurst’s autism WAS caused by vaccines, but Government Lawyers LIED that Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion is that vaccines NEVER cause autism. Another example of government LYING to cover up Vaccines Cause Autism!”

    Stop being a Sock-puppet for the Anti-vaxx movement!
    You keep pushing their LIES!
    Why do Frum people believe them?

    From VAXOPEDIA:
    “The usual suspects are alleging fraud during the in the Vaccine Court Omnibus Proceedings.
    Most folks remember that the Vaccine Court Omnibus Autism Proceedings were a series of cases that were used to test theories that vaccines could contribute to or cause autism.
    The conclusion?

    Vaccines are not associated with autism.

    So what’s the problem?
    “Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Chairman of Children’s Health Defense (CHD), and Rolf Hazlehurst, parent of a vaccine-injured child, petitioned the Department of Justice (DOJ) Office of Inspector General (OIG), and the Senate and House Judiciary Committees today to investigate actions taken by federal personnel during the “Vaccine Court” Omnibus Autism Proceedings (OAP).”
    Kennedy and Hazlehurst claim to have evidence of “obstruction of justice and appallingly consequential fraud by two DOJ lawyers who represented the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in 2007.”
    What evidence?
    Kennedy and Hazlehurst claim that “that the leading HHS expert, whose written report was used to deny compensation to over 5,000 petitioners in the OAP, provided clarification to the DOJ lawyers that vaccines could, in fact, cause autism in children with underlying and otherwise benign mitochondrial disorders.”
    Who is this expert?
    It is Andrew Zimmerman, MD, a pediatric neurologist.
    There is also a claim that Dr. Zimmerman, along with Dr. Richard Kelley, who was also an expert witness in the Vaccine Court Omnibus Autism Proceedings, served as expert witnesses in a medical malpractice case against a pediatrician who vaccinated a child, supposedly causing him to become autistic.
    Which child?
    Yates Hazlehurst, who was the second test case in the Vaccine Court Omnibus Proceedings…”

    #1665429

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin: “The study was looking at MMR
    The study was looking at MMR”

    I KNOW that. But 2Cents LIED ” “However, the rate of ASD diagnoses have no dropped, nor are these families chances of their other children diagnosed with ASD less likely, despite withholding vaccines”.

    2Cents is implying that siblings of autistic childrem who were 100% Unvaccinated got Autism.
    That is a BIG FAT LIE! And I have told 2cents a Million times that the Siblings who got Autism WERE VACCINATED – Just not the MMR. But 2cents continues to LIE that the Siblings who got Autism
    were Unvaccinated. Note 2cents does not say the Siblings who got Autism didn’t get MMR.
    This is DELIBERATE LIE to cover up harm of vaccines!

    #1665438

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health, your post CONFIRMED that there was FRAUD by Government Lawyers in the Yates Hazlehurst case – that they LIED about Dr. Zimmerman’s views on Vaccines and Autism.

    So what is your point?
    That Government Lawyers LIE in Vaccine Court to Cover-Up that Vaccines cause autism?
    Because that’s what your post proves!

    #1665466

    doomsday
    Participant

    Proof that Vaxopedia is a LYING PRO-VAX Website:

    From VAXOPEDIA:
    “The usual suspects are alleging fraud during the in the Vaccine Court Omnibus Proceedings….
    Kennedy and Hazlehurst claim to have evidence of “obstruction of justice and appallingly consequential fraud by two DOJ lawyers ”

    Vacopedia is implying that “the ususal suspects” are Lying about Fraud – saying they “claim to have evidence”. Kennedy and Hazlehurst HAVE IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE OF FRAUD – a Sworn Affidavit by
    Dr. Zimmerman stating that DOJ Lawyers MISREPRESENTED his opinion – Dr. Zimmerman TOLD DOJ Lawyers that he believes VACCINES CAN CAUSE AUTISM – and DOJ Lawyers LIED in Dr. Zimmerman’s Name that Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion is the exact opposite.

    Dr. Zimmerman further states that he believes that Yates Hazlehurst’s Autism WAS CAUSED BY VACCINES – but DOJ Lawyers LIED that Dr. Zimmerman believes the Opposite!

    And VAXOPEDIA IS LYING TO COVER UP GOVERNMENT FRAUD!!!

    More Vaxopedia LIES:

    “Most folks remember that the Vaccine Court Omnibus Autism Proceedings were a series of cases that were used to test theories that vaccines could contribute to or cause autism.
    The conclusion?

    Vaccines are not associated with autism.”

    VAXOPEDIA KNOWS that the “conclusion” that “vaccines are not associated with autism” was based upon DOJ LAwyers LYING IN COURT that Dr. Zimmerman believes that Vaccines are not associated with autism” when Dr. Zimmerman said in a sworn statement that”
    Dr. Zimmerman believes: VACCINES CAN CAUSE AUTISM!!!

    See how PRO VAX WEBSITE LIES AND MISLEADS to try to hide the TRUTH that Vaccines CAN cause autism!!! And Health is so dumb that Health believes Vaxopedia LIes – or Health is lying and
    pretending to believe Vaxopedia lies. You decide!

    #1665477

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Doomsday, is Dr. Zimmerman pro-vax or anti-vax?

    #1665484

    doomsday
    Participant

    DaasYochid:

    1. Does Dr. Zimmerman believe that Vaccines Can Cause Autism?

    2. Does Dr. Zimmerman believe that Yates Hazlehurst’s Autism was caused by Vaccines?

    3. Did Dr. Zimmerman state that DOJ Lawyers MISREPRESENTED his views on Vaccines-Autism?

    #1665489

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    First answer my question

    #1665504

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I’m still waiting.

    #1665508

    doomsday
    Participant

    Daas Yochid. First define “pro-vaccine”.

    1. IF someone believes that in theory that vaccines can be beneficial,but the current CDC vaccine schedule is dangerous – is that person pro vaccine or anti vaccine?

    2. If someone believes in theory, that vaccines can be beneficial, but the ingredients in today’s
    vaccines such as aluminum, formaldehyde, squalene are dangerous – is that person pro vaccine
    or anti vaccine?

    3. f someone believes in theory, that vaccines can be beneficial, but believes we should go back
    to the vaccine schedule of 1980 – 1/4 of the vaccines of today – is that person pro vaccine or anti vaccine?

    4. If someone believes in theory, that vaccines can be beneficial, but believes we should do a
    vaxxed vs unvaxxed study – to be CERTAIN that the benefits outweigh the risks, is that person
    pro vaccine or anti vaccine?

    5. Or does “Pro Vaccine” mean a person who blindly believes everything from the CDC and supports the current schedule 72 Vaccines (in 1970 it was only 4 vaccines) and also supports the HUNDREDS MORE VACCINES that are coming to be FORCED against the will on everyone?

    I cannot answer your question until you define the definition of “Pro Vaccine”?

    #1665519

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Funny, you haven’t had an issue with the precise definition of pro-vax when calling all of us liars.

    Anyhow, I don’t think someone needs to follow every detail of the CDC recommendations to be considered pro-vax.

    I’ll define pro-vax for the purpose of this question as someone who recommends that children receive most of the vaccines (not necessarily all and not necessarily at the precise times recommended by the CDC) being offered as currently being manufactured and distributed.

    Does Dr. Zimmerman fall in to this category?

    #1665518

    Provax
    Participant

    Doomsday I wanna commend you for the courage that you have to stand up for the truth. Hashem should bentch you with all BRUCHES SHEBETORAH!!

    #1665517

    doomsday
    Participant

    DaasYochid – Is Dr. Bob Sears Pro Vaccine or Anti-Vaccine?

    #1665538

    doomsday
    Participant

    DaasYochid: “I’ll define pro-vax for the purpose of this question as someone who recommends that children receive most of the vaccines (not necessarily all and not necessarily at the precise times recommended by the CDC)”

    According to the FAKE NEWS MEDIA anyone who questions the CDC schedule – even regarding skipping ONE Vaccine or just Delaying ONE Vaccine ‘ is an ANTI-VACCINE HERETIC.

    #1665527

    doomsday
    Participant

    ProVaxxers, In the 1960s when there were only FOUR vaccines (not 72 like today)
    were there massive epidemics, were people dying in droves from measles, mumps, chicken pox, polio,
    diptheria, etc in the 1960s?

    And if in the 1960s there were no mass epidemics and people were NOT dying – and autism was 1:10,000, and there was no disorders called SIDS or ADHD and 1:6 children were not learning disabled –
    Why can’t we go back to the 1960s Vaccine Schedule of FOUR Vaccines – given at age 5 or 6 when children started school?

    #1665528

    Provax
    Participant

    Please explain to me why does BCBS pay a whopping $400 bonus per vaccinated child theat meets the vaccine schedule the that impose on Doctors.?

    #1665545

    doomsday
    Participant

    DaasYochid, I hate to break the news to you, but if you define “Pro-Vax” as someone who believes
    vaccines are beneficial but believes in skipping/delaying some vaccines –
    YOU, DAAS YOCHID ARE ANTI-VAX!

    Congratulations for joining the Side of Truth!

    #1665529

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    DaasYochid – Is Dr. Bob Sears Pro Vaccine or Anti-Vaccine?

    First answer my question please.

    #1665533

    doomsday
    Participant

    I don’t Know if Dr. Zimmerman is pro-vax or anti-vax.

    I DO know that Dr. Zimmerman SWORE he believes that Vaccines CAN cause Autism!
    So I find it hard to believe Dr. Zimmerman supports the current vaccine schedule and all the dangerous ingredients in vaccines.

    #1665547

    doomsday
    Participant

    PROVAX: “Doomsday I wanna commend you for the courage that you have to stand up for the truth. Hashem should bentch you with all BRUCHES SHEBETORAH!! ”

    Amen! Thank you!

    But WHY do you call yourself PROVAXX????

    #1665564

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    ProVaxxers, In the 1960s when there were only FOUR vaccines (not 72 like today)
    were there massive epidemics, were people dying in droves from measles, mumps, chicken pox, polio,
    diptheria, etc in the 1960s?

    define ProVaxxers

    #1665566

    Provax
    Participant

    Because I wanted to clarify about that 18 month old baby that passed away in Yerushaleim , that is A Down syndrome had a staph infection and a heart condition from birth. Knowing it first hand from my Chacrusa that also has a down syndrome child Rachmuna Litzlon. And he knows that family. So I wanted people to see the truth so I had write PROVAX, but I am X VAX currently

    #1665574

    doomsday
    Participant

    Well it seems to me that the ProVaxxers on this thread believe 100% in the CDC Vaccine Schedule.
    So that’s my definition of ProVax (and also the maistream Fake News Media’s definition).

    #1665577

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I don’t Know if Dr. Zimmerman is pro-vax or anti-vax.

    I think you should do some research.

    If you look honestly, I believe you’ll find that he believes the benefits outweigh the risks. Even the vaccines which he thinks could cause autism, he thinks are more likely to prevent a disease which could cause autism.

    #1665580

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    DaasYochid, I hate to break the news to you, but if you define “Pro-Vax” as someone who believes
    vaccines are beneficial but believes in skipping/delaying some vaccines –
    YOU, DAAS YOCHID ARE ANTI-VAX!

    But wait, I think most kids should be vaccinated for MMR, Polio, DTaP, flu, and others, on schedule. I also dont believe there’s a link between vaccines and SIDS or autism. Am I still anti-vax?

    Congratulations for joining the Side of Truth!

    Thank you! Since I’m on the side of truth, will you agree to my previous opinions?

    #1665604

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday: YOU, DAAS YOCHID ARE ANTI-VAX!

    DY: But wait, I think most kids should be vaccinated for MMR, Polio, DTaP, flu, and others, on schedule. I also dont believe there’s a link between vaccines and SIDS or autism. Am I still anti-vax?

    YES! anyone who doesn’t believe 100% in the HOLY CDC Schedule is an Anti-Vaxxer! Welcome to the club!

    #1665587

    doomsday
    Participant

    ProVax: “Please explain to me why does BCBS pay a whopping $400 bonus per vaccinated child theat meets the vaccine schedule the that impose on Doctors.?”

    The average American pediatrician has 1546 patients, though some pediatricians see many more…Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child, so the average pediatrician gets paid
    $618,400 (over half a million dollars) for forcing parents to follow insane dangerous CDC vaccine schedule! And will fire any parent who wants to skip or even delay ONE vaccine!!!

    THINK ABOUT IT!!!

    #1665602

    doomsday
    Participant

    ProVax: “Please explain to me why does BCBS pay a whopping $400 bonus per vaccinated child theat meets the vaccine schedule the that impose on Doctors.?”

    The average American pediatrician has 1546 patients, though some pediatricians see many more…Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child, so the average pediatrician gets paid
    $618,400 (over half a million dollars) for forcing parents to follow insane dangerous CDC vaccine schedule! And will fire any parent who wants to skip or even delay ONE vaccine!!!

    If 63% of parents are not 100% vaccinated per CDC schedule – the pediatrician loses the WHOLE bonus. So even if a child had a SEVERE Reaction to a vaccine, the Pediatrician will FORCE the parent to continue vaccinating (claiming “coincidence and not caused by vaccine) – and the Child ends up Fully Autistic. But the Doctor got his HALF MILLION DOLLAR BONUS and can’t be sued for vaccinating a child who had a bad reaction to a vaccine so Doctors doesn’t care!

    THINK ABOUT IT!!!

    #1665609

    2scents
    Participant

    Provax,

    So is it your opinion that children with other illnesses should die from the measles?

    Also, once we are at it, if the deaths from the measles viruses are for these weaker children do not count, as they are already sick at baseline, does this also mean that all the injuries that were reported do not matter, as these children mostly were immunocompromised at baseline (and would very likely have the same outcome if they contracted the measles virus)?

    This has really reached Reductio ad absurdum.

    #1665622

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    I’m an antivaxxer because I believe in giving more booster shots, and anyone who doesn’t agree 100% with the CDC is an antivaxxer.

    #1665631

    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents, MORE children die from MMR Vaccine per year then die from Measles per year.
    And that is besides the millions of children who are PERMANENTLY vaccine injured by Vaccines!

    #1665634

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    a. Not sure why you recycle your old garbage, the Danish study actually supports the null hypothesis that MMR does not cause autism.

    b. In a simplistic way of explaining it, if there would have been a link between MMR and autism, the very many studies (combined studies cover millions of children) would have shown some shift or link and the null hypothesis would not have been able to be established.

    c. the NAM (formerly IOM) has accepted the evidence as conclusive and released a comprehensive report that there actually is evidence that there is no link between MMR and autism. (the NAM is an independent body comprised of doctors and scientists)

    d. Regardless of any changes in the rate of vaccinations, autism has increased.

    e. Not sure why you still state that you are unsure what Dr. Zimmermans position is, he clearly released a written statement post the ‘news’ piece that you posted, in which he writes that despite the statements being released about him, he clearly supports vaccinations.

    f. Dr Zimmeran clearly stated, he does not know of any data that supports a link between MMR and Autism.

    h. Dr. Zimmermans opinion was and still is, that any infectious stress can cause children with mitochondrial dysfunction to regress.

    i. Nor does Dr. Zimmeran believe that the case was based on his opinion,

    j. Dr. Zimmerman clarified that while he does believe that children should be vaccinated, children with mitochondrial dysfunction should be studies better.

    k. This is in line with what other experts have stated.
    “As noted above, an important consideration for treatment of AMD is that “normal” inflammation can impair mitochondrial function. Although most infections cannot be avoided, certain measures can limit the risk of injury during infection or other causes of inflammation… We believe it is much better to immunize with DTaP than risk infection with highly inflammatory and potentially damaging community-acquired pertussis.”

    -Dr. Richard Kelley on Evaluation and Treatment of Patients with Autism and Mitochondrial Disease

    While you try to twist all of this as if there is some massive fraud going on here, For those that actually care to review the details and do not go for your twisting, the facts are there to see.

    Yet, as noted previously, you have made up your mind, you will pick and chose which ‘experts’ you believe in, and despite being shown how the people that just make statements are not qualified, nor is there any real data that shows what you claim.

    Not sure why you keep on stating, that you have studies of “real PhDs”, as if all the studies that dictate medical recommendations are from made up PhDs.

    #1665643

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child”

    Assuming this is true, WHY would they want to do that?

    This is the insurance company, they actually end up paying MORE if the child ends up sick, unless you believe that the pharmaceutical companies reimburse the insurance companies..

    Athem, the company that owns Blue Cross, is a for-profit company. How would it be for profit for them if they actually paid money to providers when their children are fully vaccinated?

    #1665647

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Dooms
    “2cents, MORE children die from MMR Vaccine per year then die from Measles per year.”

    Lol
    even if that where true It would be like saying more skydivers wearing a parachute die each year than skydivers who dont wear a parachute. Therfore skydivers should stop wearing parachutes

    #1665666

    2scents
    Participant

    ““2cents, MORE children die from MMR Vaccine per year then die from Measles per year”

    You would have to provide the data that supports this. Otheoiys nonexistent and just another attempt of yours to spread lies.

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