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  • #1667193

    doomsday
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    The data shows that Autism spikes after increases in the Vaccine schedule!
    And that Pattern is observable in four different periods, in four different countries!

    #1667197

    doomsday
    Participant

    Cystic Fibrosis does not cause mental retardation.

    Scientists HAVE found the gene for Cystic Fibrosis which is identified by gene test.
    In 20 years of Research, Scientists cannot diagnosis Autism by gene test!

    NOBODY is claiming that their child’s Cystic Fibrosis was caused by Vaccines or other environment factor.
    Tens of thousands of parents with VIDEO say their 100% normal child regressed into autism after Vaxxed

    #1667204

    doomsday
    Participant

    How many times have LARGE GROUPS of People accused a PRODUCT of causing harm
    and the MANUFACTURERS DENIED it?
    And who was ALWAYS RIGHT? The People claiming PRODUCT CAUSED HARM! ALWAYS!

    Cigarettes
    Lead Paint
    DDT
    Thalidomide
    Viox
    Acid Rain

    ProVaxxers, you really think that Vaccines is the EXCEPTION to the Rule?
    Rule: When Large Groups of People claim product is harmful, Manufacturers Deny, in the end
    the People claiming Product is Harmful are proven right – although it can take many years!

    #1667206

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Doomsday, that’s an arbitrary distinction that you invented and expect the world to conform to!

    #1667213

    doomsday
    Participant

    More evidence Vaccines cause Autism:

    Autopsies reveal autistic brains are full of ….(drum roll)…..ALUMINUM!
    And Anti-Vaxxers have said that Aluminum is one of the causes of Autism.
    Aluminum is also linked to – ALZHEIMERS

    Still want to inject your kids full of aluminum & other toxins starting from BEFORE BIRTH, AT BIRTH, Babies and children???

    #1667205

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Dooms
    As I was scrolling thtroug hthe thread I was wondering if soemhow half the posts got removed since yo uare repeatign the same gibberish over and over (sometimes verbatim) in spite of my having responded numerous times
    (for example teh absurd vaxxed vs unvaxxed distinction)

    Now though I see some new gibberish
    “ALL Genetic Retardation the children have ABNORMAL FACIAL FEATURES”

    This is the strangest claim youve made. Many syndromic intellectual disabilities, present with physical differences. In no way is this true of “ALL Genetic Retardation”
    Of course without a “syndrome” many of these may not have a named diagnosis” we just call them “Intellectually disabled”

    “I think both sides are writing to convince “people on the fence” who might be following the debate.”

    True , though both sides seem to be trying to convince people to vaccinate which makes this “argument” strange.

    #1667214

    doomsday
    Participant

    ProVaxxers, What is the Autism Rate of Children who are 100% Unvaccinated?

    Why can’t you answer this question?

    #1667215

    doomsday
    Participant

    Percentage of young U.S. children who don’t receive any vaccines has quadrupled since 2001.

    More parents are doing RESEARCH and not just blindly OBEYING ORDERS like a sheep!

    #1667216

    doomsday
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    And Most Anti-Vaxxers are COLLEGE EDUCATED and RICH – and RESEARCHED Vaccines.

    The children who are the Most Vaxxed are Poor and Uneducated.

    Maybe those Smart, Educated, Rich People who actually took the time to research vaccines
    might be right? Do you think?

    #1667217

    Health
    Participant

    TIH – “Dr. Frank Noonan is a doctor who treats Amish children in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. He has said that he has seen no cases of autism in the thousands of Amish children he has treated over 25 years.”

    Another Anti-Vaxx misconception or Lie!
    From Vaxopedia:
    From the Amish Clinic in Pa.
    “Strauss also sees plenty of Amish children showing symptoms of autism.
    “Autism isn’t a diagnosis – it’s a description of behavior. We see autistic behaviors along with seizure disorders or mental retardation or a genetic disorder, where the autism is part of a more complicated clinical spectrum.”
    Fragile X syndrome and Rett Syndrome is also common among the clinic’s patients.”

    #1667223

    doomsday
    Participant

    Why are so many vaccines 70+ necessary?
    Were massive amount of American Children dying in the 1960s & 1970s when only 4 vaccines were given?
    Were massive amount of American Children dying in the 1940s & 1950s when only 1 vaccine was given?

    After the QUADRUPLING of the Vaccine Schedule in 1990 (AFTER Vaccines Makers can’t be sued for
    causing death/injury) Autism has gone from 1:10,000 to 1:50 (and keeps getting higher), we have
    ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Speech Delays, Allergies, Asthma, DIabetes, Child Cancers, Epilepsy,
    Child Arthritis, Childhood Mental illness, etc.

    ProVaxxers – why can’t we go back to the SANER vaccine schedule of 1960? or 1980?
    When AMERICAN CHILDREN WERE HEALTHY! And Not Learning Disabled and/or Chronic illness!

    #1667233

    doomsday
    Participant

    Reb Yid – can you give ONE EXAMPLE of large groups of people claiming a product caused injury,
    manufacturer denied – and the people were wrong?

    I gave Six Examples.
    Can you give me ONE?

    #1667258

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health:
    From Vaxopedia:
    From the Amish Clinic in Pa.
    “Strauss also sees plenty of Amish children showing symptoms of autism.
    “Autism isn’t a diagnosis – it’s a description of behavior. We see autistic behaviors along with seizure disorders or mental retardation or a genetic disorder, where the autism is part of a more complicated clinical spectrum. Fragile X syndrome and Rett Syndrome is also common among the clinic’s patients.”

    Health, Per Vaxopedia, many of the Amish Children with Autistic symptoms have a KNOWN Genetic Disorder such as Fragile X and Rett Syndrome.
    It’s like saying Amish Down Syndrome Children have autistic symptoms.

    Virtually all Amish Children who have IDIOPATHIC (no known cause) Autism WERE VACCINATED!
    But since Amish have a Very Low Vaccination Rate – they have very little Autism.

    Health, what is the AUTISM RATE of children who are 100% Unvaccinated?

    #1667271

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin, name me one GENETIC RETARDATION with normal facial features.

    Also, what is the Autism Rate of children who are 100% Unvaccinated?

    #1667277

    Meno
    Participant

    How many times have LARGE GROUPS of People accused a PRODUCT of causing harm
    and the MANUFACTURERS DENIED it?
    And who was ALWAYS RIGHT? The People claiming PRODUCT CAUSED HARM! ALWAYS!

    doomsday,

    That’s a really dumb argument. Not to say the rest of your arguments aren’t dumb, just that this one is particularly dumb.

    #1667280

    doomsday
    Participant

    Most parents who Vax – don’t research vaccines – but “trust” their doctor and “the establishment”.
    Of those who DO research vaccines – most don’t vaccinate!

    #1667281

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Dooms
    “Percentage of young U.S. children who don’t receive any vaccines has quadrupled since 2001.”

    and has the autism rate changed?

    “Why are so many vaccines 70+ necessary?”
    Because there are so many diseases. Beezras Hashem in the coming year there will be dozens and dozens more. what an amazing time to live in that we appreciate a part of Hashem’s prmise of “Kol Hamachla Asher samti Bimitzraim Lo Asim Alecha” With the eradication of some diseases like smallpox ( maybe shchin?) and the near eradication of others

    #1667287

    doomsday
    Participant

    Meno, you cannot deny that in the SIX examples I gave of large groups of people accusing a product of causing harm, Manufacturers Deny, in the end the PEOPLE were right is TRUE!

    You cannot provide ONE example of people accusing a product of harm & manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right. NOT ONCE IN HISTORY!

    So you resort to name-calling because that’s all you can do.
    Sad!

    #1667295

    Meno
    Participant

    doomsday, I’m not saying that what you said is false. I’m saying that it is meaningless regarding the current debate.

    #1667294

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday:“Percentage of young U.S. children who don’t receive any vaccines has quadrupled since 2001.”

    Ubiquiton: and has the autism rate changed?

    No, because only 1.3% of children are unvaccinated so they don’t effect the autism rate.

    But children are vaccinated with ALL these vaccines BY FORCE!
    If parents would be FREE to CHOOSE they would do much fewer vaccines and at older ages.
    That’s why Government – which takes MILLIONS $$$ from Pharmaceutical Co must use COERCION!

    #1667301

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin: what an amazing time to live in that we appreciate a part of Hashem’s prmise of “Kol Hamachla Asher samti Bimitzraim Lo Asim Alecha”

    What a TRAGIC Time to live in – SICKEST CHILDREN IN HISTORY – Government COERCION of Vaccines:
    1:6 children are Learning Disabled
    1:6 children are Allergic (can be Fatal!)
    1:7 couples are INFERTILE (Vaccine inserts say they don’t safety test for infertility)
    1:13 children have Asthma
    1:15 children have ADHD
    1:5 teens had episode of Mental illness
    1:8 children have IBS
    1:50 children have Autism (listed as Adverse Event on Vaccine Inserts)
    1:100 children have Epilepsy (seizures listed as Adverse Event on Vaccine Inserts)
    1:250 children have Tourettes Syndrome
    1:400 children have Diabetes
    1:775 babies DIE of SIDS (listed as Adverse Event on Vaccine Inserts)
    1:1,000 children have Celiac Disease
    1:5,560 children have CANCER (Vaccine Inserts say don’t safety test for Cancer)
    168 Deaths following vaccines reported to VAERS every year.
    ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA).

    Some studies claim that nearly HALF of US Children have a chronic illness!
    THANK YOU, VACCINES! Such a “brochah” NOT!!!

    #1667322

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Doomsday, I have already told you that for the sake of this argument I am refusing to believe autism exists at all because all evidence that suggests otherwise is connected to Big Pharma.

    #1667337

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“But since Amish have a Very Low Vaccination Rate – they have very little Autism.”

    Why do you keep Lying?
    Is it because you worship the Anti-vaxx movement?
    You must of posted all the Anti-vaxx theories in these 33 pages.
    Did you miss any?
    Is there any theory that you posted – that is your own?
    (Not from Anti-Vaxx sites.)

    Actually about 70% of Amish do Vaxx!
    From Vaxopedia:
    “The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue,” says Dr. Kevin Strauss, MD, a pediatrician at the CSC.
    “We run a weekly vaccination clinic and it’s very busy.”
    He says Amish vaccinations rates are lower than the general population’s, but younger Amish are more likely to be vaccinated than older generations.”

    #1667339

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“Of those who DO research vaccines – most don’t vaccinate!”

    Well I don’t work in Peds, but most of medical professionals that aren’t in Peds, that have done research, DO VAXX.

    #1667341

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    It it a coincidence that the Autism Rate went UP when the Changeling Rate went DOWN?

    #1667370

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Dooms
    “and has the autism rate changed?

    No. becasue…”

    Can you think of another possibility?

    “What a TRAGIC Time to live in – SICKEST CHILDREN IN HISTORY – ”
    Um yes There are sicker children because there are more children. Infant mortality went down. Life expectancy went up.
    “sickest children” is a cute buzzword by pro-diseaseers such as yourself, that just isnt grounded in reality

    “THANK YOU, VACCINES! Such a “brochah” NOT!!!”

    Agreed! You should right thank you Hashem, not to the vaccines.
    You should also thank the inventors and developers of vaccines Like The Tiferes Yisroel did see 2 lines from the bottom of Boaz http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37946&st=&pgnum=347
    where he refers to Jenner as a “chasid” who saved thousands of lives and will certainly be repaid in Olam Habbah .
    You should thank the doctors who administer the vaccines often at their own expense (For example you cant bill for the flu administration, you get reimbursed for the cost of the vaccine only)
    and you should thank the people spending time trying to fight off your corrupt ideas and to prevent others from following your foolish ways

    Thanking the vaccines is just more silliness

    #1667356

    Health
    Participant

    DOOMSDAY – “Because GENES /People do not change so dramatically in 50 years!
    It is Scientifically IMPOSSIBLE for Autism to go from 1:10,000 in 1970 to 1:50 today
    if Autism was Solely Genetics!
    There HAS to be something in the ENVIRONMENT that is causing the Autism Epidemic”

    You claim you have at least a high school education. In high school they teach the 3 laws of Mendel. (That’s Not Mendel the Mouse.)
    So things can change from generation to another (that can even be only 20 years.)
    Anyways the Vaxxing sites, like Science Based Medicine, write there is really Not an increase in Autism from 1990-2010. Look it up – to find out why!

    #1667383

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “You cannot provide ONE example of people accusing a product of harm & manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right. NOT ONCE IN HISTORY!”

    What?
    My neighbor accuses his microwave of reading his thoughts and causing him to lose his job. GE disagrees. That makes him right becasue he is accusing a product of harm and the manufacturer denies it

    “Ubiquitin, name me one GENETIC RETARDATION with normal facial features.”

    1) Easy, off the top of my head Klienfelter’s (they tend to be taller, but they do have typical facial features. they do also have lower IQ’s)
    2) named genetic syndromes typically have multiple features that are linked, not every person with “GENETIC RETARDATION ” has a named syndrome. do y u think EVERY intellectually disabled person fits neatly into Trisomy 21, Fragile X, Prader willi etc?

    “Also, what is the Autism Rate of children who are 100% Unvaccinated?”
    More than likely equal to the general population

    #1667489

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Doomsday keeps switching between defining autism as all autism diagnoses and defining it as non verbal autism only.

    #1667488

    doomsday
    Participant

    “Also, what is the Autism Rate of children who are 100% Unvaccinated?”
    Ubiquitin: More than likely equal to the general population

    Got any data to back that up?

    #1667495

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin, Klinefelters is not mentally retarded: Excerpt from Wikipedia:

    Intelligence is usually normal; however, reading difficulties and problems with speech are more common.

    So there is NO Genetic Retardation without abnormal facial features.
    Also, there are some common physical traits – Autism doesn’t have this.
    There is a genetic test – Autism doesn’t have this.

    #1667496

    doomsday
    Participant

    RebYid – the reason I bring up NON-VERBAL Autism because in 1970 NON-VERBAL Autism
    was 1:10,000 and today it is 1:150.

    They keep CHANGING the definition of Autism – DELIBERATELY to keep everyone confused about what
    the real rate of autism is.

    #1667501

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doomsday: “You cannot provide ONE example of people accusing a product of harm & manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right. NOT ONCE IN HISTORY!”

    Ubiquitin: What?
    My neighbor accuses his microwave of reading his thoughts

    Folks, see what a LIAR Ubiquitin is?
    Ubiquitin CHANGED my statement where I said there is not one example of LARGE GROUPS
    of people accusing a product of harm, the manufacturer lies and denies – and the people were right!

    But Ubiquitin TOOK OUT the words “LARGE GROUPS” in order to perpetuate a Lie!
    Shame on you, Ubiquitin! I guess when you are DESPERATE you have to resort to Lies!

    #1667499

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: Actually about 70% of Amish do Vaxx!
    From Vaxopedia:
    “The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue,” says Dr. Kevin Strauss, MD, a pediatrician at the CSC.

    Health, your ProVax Propaganda site is LYING. Even CDC acknowledges that Amish have a
    LOW vaccination rate. The CDC made a study about it Amish and Low Vaccine Rate in 2017:
    Evaluation of low immunization coverage among the Amish population in rural Ohio.

    #1667498

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Got any data to back that up?”

    Lets say I don’t

    #1667510

    doomsday
    Participant

    Can you find out anywhere on the internet the autism rate of 100% unvaxxed children?

    #1667513

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: In high school they teach the 3 laws of Mendel. (That’s Not Mendel the Mouse.)
    So things can change from generation to another

    Health, here is the list of all the PROVEN GENETIC Retardation:
    Down Syndrome, Fragile X, Rett Syndrome, Williams Syndrome, Angelman Syndrome, Prader Willi Syndrome, Patau Syndrome, Edwards Syndrome, Cohen Syndrome

    The Rate for Genetic Retardation is 1:10,000 except for Down Syndrome which is 1:1,000
    AND THIS RATE HAS NOT CHANGED!

    But Autism which is NOT proven to be Genetic (there is no blood test) has gone from
    1:10,000 to 1:50!
    Which is EVIDENCE that Autism is NOT Genetic!

    And this is not MY opinion but the opinion of real PhD SCIENTISTS!

    #1667509

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin: do y u think EVERY intellectually disabled person fits neatly into Trisomy 21, Fragile X, Prader willi etc?

    If there are normal facial features, it is probably NOT genetic retardation. There are other causes of retardation besides genetic including: prenatal exposure to alcohol, drugs or other toxins,birth trauma (oxygen deprivation) lead poisoning, mercury poisoning, malnutrition, encephalopathy, brain injury, etc.

    #1667520

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin: You should also thank the inventors and developers of vaccines Like The Tiferes Yisroel did see 2 lines from the bottom of Boaz http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37946&st=&pgnum=347
    where he refers to Jenner as a “chasid” who saved thousands of lives and will certainly be repaid in Olam Habbah .

    I do THANK Jenner.
    Vaccines saved lives. Medicine saved lives.
    But Medicine can also Kill and Injure.
    So can Vaccines – if you give TOO MANY, TOO SOON – which is what happened when the
    CDC QUADRUPLED the number of Vaccines given, vaccinate PREGNANT Women and Newborns –
    Then Vaccines INJURE and KILL.

    Lets return back to the SAFE Vaccine Schedule of FOUR Vaccines instead of 70+
    Children were not dying in the 1960s and 1970s. And Autism was 1:10,000.
    And there was hardly any ADHD, Learning Disabilities, SIDS, Child Diabetes, Child Cancer, Epilepsy…

    #1667541

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: Anyways the Vaxxing sites, like Science Based Medicine, write there is really Not an increase in Autism from 1990-2010. Look it up – to find out why!

    Health, your ProVax Sites are lying to you – trying to hide the Truth of the Vaccine Autism Epidemic
    from you.
    Science Based Medicine is talking about WORLD WIDE Autism Rate – and since every country has
    a different definition of Autism, and some countries don’t track it well – the study is Invalid.

    Here is the Autism Rate Per the HOLY CDC – VACCINE PUSHER:
    1970: 1:10,000
    1995 1:1,000 – notice the HUGE Increase after CDC began increasing vaccine Schedule
    1999: 1: 500
    2000: 1:150
    2006: 1:110
    2008 1:88
    2014: 1:68
    2018: 1:59

    This 600% Increase CANNOT be genetic. It MUST be environmental!

    #1667542

    MRS PLONY
    Participant

    If somebody is “on the fence” on this topic, then I doubt that they will be convinced by thirty-three pages of CR quarrelling. If the Pro contingent is still Pro and the Anti contingent is still Anti after all this, then is anybody’s argument that compelling?

    #1667544

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    You can’t be an antivaxxer and not believe that Big Pharma made up ADHD so they could make people give children amphetamines.

    #1667551

    doomsday
    Participant

    ADHD is probably a mild form of autism – main cause is vaccines.
    ADHD was also extremely rare – until 1990 when CDC quadrupled the vaccines!

    #1667555

    doomsday
    Participant

    And Pharmaceutical company is making BILLIONS off Ritalin and Adderall for ADHD.

    The Pharmaceutical makes Billions on Vaccines – and Trillions on all the Meds it sells
    to CHRONICALLY SICK CHILDREN!

    #1667554

    doomsday
    Participant

    Mrs. Plony: If the Pro contingent is still Pro and the Anti contingent is still Anti after all this, then is anybody’s argument that compelling?

    If people would realize that the Pro Vaccine argument is “not that compelling”
    Then there is hope to save humanity!

    #1667561

    truthishidden
    Participant

    This is not to convince anyone of anything.
    It is just to open people’s minds that there is more than one side to the story and they should continue to do their own research.

    #1667562

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Prove that ADHD is a real disorder.

    #1667567

    doomsday
    Participant

    Provaxxers – you did not comment that high level of aluminum were found
    in the brains of Autistic Children.
    High level of Aluminum also found in the brains of Alzheimer people.

    We also have another NEW disease “early-onset” Alzheimers.
    And the increase in Alzheimers and the invention of “early-onset” Alzheimers
    just happens to occur at the same time FLU Shots containing both Aluminum and Mercury
    are being PUSHED on everyone. But it’s just a “coincidence”

    Just like the Autism Epidemic following Quadrupling Vaccines is a “coincidence”

    Just like Autism developing after Vaccination is a “coincidence”

    Just like 90% of SIDS occurring within hours-days of vaccination is a “coincidence”

    #1667576

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    High levels of Dihydrogen Monoxide have been found in autistic brains and pre-cancerous tumors, and most seizures occur within 24 hours of its ingestion.

    #1667582

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, Dihydrogen Monoxide , is just another name for Water.

    Brains of Non-Autistic Children and Non-Alzheimers Elderly DON”T have high level
    of aluminum – which probably came from VACCINES that are pushed on everyone
    but ESPECIALLY Pregnant women, Babies and little children and ELDERLY (Flu Vaccines)

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