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  • #1632798

    doomsday
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    TruthisHidden: Thank you doomsday for bringing this important information.

    Doomsday: You’re Welcome. Thank you for your support.

    #1632792

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doing My Best: 1. “This says that encephalitis does NOT cause autism as !Doomsday seems to be claiming,”
    Please show me the line that says encephalitis does not cause autism. You’re lying.

    2. “That means that when the other 3,500 people died, the cause of death could easily have been written down as a complication of Measles. For example pneumonia.”
    Wrong. Because the Law requires that all cases of Measles be reported to National Agency, this Measles death
    would have to be reported so there were 1,000 measles deaths, not 3,500. And you can list more then one cause of death on the certificate.

    3. “fewer then 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported”
    “you know what the other 99% are? I would say a rash or slight reaction”
    Wrong again! Many parents reported then when their child developed high fever, seizures and then
    regressed into autism – or dropped Dead! the doctors insisted it was a “coincidence” and had nothing to do
    with the vaccine the child received hours before. Do you think the doctor who vaccinated the child is going
    to admit that he/she is responsible for the injury or death? Nope. They just say it’s a “coincidence”

    #1632797

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doingmybest, What lie do you claim Vaccinator “caught” me?

    #1632810

    truthishidden
    Participant

    Doing my best: Anti-vaxxers,
    Pls answer this. What exactly needs to be proven to you in order for you to agree?

    Answer:
    Give me a study comparing vaccinated vs. un-vaccinated children comparing, for starters rates of:
    SIDS
    Cancer
    Autism
    Epilepsy
    Learning disabilities
    Diabetes Type 1 and 2
    Rates of death and disabilities from the illnesses preventable by vaccines.

    #1632811

    hum-diddle-dum
    Participant

    I created an account just so that I could post this comment.

    Doomsday – yasher koach, thank you for persevering against all the baseless hate over here. Why anyone would think you have an alternate agenda is beyond me. I too try to support my family’s health without the use of pharmaceuticals, where possible, and no, it doesn’t mean shelling out money to alternative health practitioners, mostly good nutrition, exercise, and the confidence to look things up and not rely on the doctors for everything.

    This idea some pro-vaxxers have that all people who don’t vaccinate are crazies and uneducated is just mind-boggling. Obviously, I can’t speak for everyone, but I can say that all of my friends who don’t vaccinate are intelligent people who spent many many hours researching the subject before coming to their conclusions – not just mindlessly following the “cult” as people here are apt to say.

    And, to set the record straight once and for all, I PERSONALLY spoke with a gadol, one of the elder tzaddikim in america, and he told me (yes, this is a direct quote), “Stay away from vaccines. (me: All of them?) Yes, all of them”. And no, this was not a personal psak based on my situation. This was what he told me before we even discussed my family’s health. A general rule. And no, this was not 10 years ago before there was an outbreak. This was less than two weeks ago.
    I’m sorry I am not publishing his name, but I did not ask his permission to do that. If you want to ask me directly, perhaps the mods can put you in touch with me so that you can ask the shaila for youself.

    So, before you go off again and say that people who don’t vaccinate have no gadol backing them up, stop and make sure you have the facts straight. We did the research. We asked the questions. We got the psak. There is nothing more to say.

    #1632812

    doomsday
    Participant

    Benignuman: “The Measles Virus. At least 1 in a 500 (1/1000 concurrently, and 1/1000 later) children that get measles will develop encephalitis. That is far, far, far more likely than the 1 in 500,000 (at most) that will get encephalitis from the vaccine.”
    Doomsday: Per the Mayo Clinic Website:
    “Encephalitis often causes only mild flu-like signs and symptoms — such as a fever or headache — or no symptoms at all.”
    Since the symptoms of encephalitis are so mild, and babies/toddlers are non verbal and can’t state their symptoms, the majority of autism induced encephalitis that are un-diagnosed.
    Even when children are diagnosed with encephalitis after vaccination, the doctors all deny that it was caused by vaccines and say it’s a “coincidence” so most vaccine caused encephalitis is unreported.
    Per Dept of Health and Human Services “fewer then 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported”.

    Per Mayo Clinic Website, Encephalitis is caused by a virus – and some vaccines contain Live viruses. Or Encephalitis can be caused by a faulty immune system response that causes the body to start attacking its own brain tissue (an autoimmune response).
    Some vaccines contain live viruses. ALL vaccines provoke an immune response which could trigger the
    immune system to attack it’s own brain tissue (autoimmune response). Babies and children get both live virus vaccines and other vaccines containing mercury and aluminum all at the same time!
    And Babies and Children are more vulnerable to encephalitis and CDC mandates that they be bombarded with vaccines when they are at the highest risk of getting encephalitis! Is it any wonder that autism went from
    1:10,000 to 1:59 – with the increases correlating to the increases in the vaccine schedule???
    Allergies and other Autoimmune Diseases are skyrocketing – and vaccines hyperstimulate the immune system!
    Furthermore, all autistic children present with the result of encephalitis: BRAIN DAMAGE.
    Autistic children usually have other signs of inflammation and autoimmune disease including
    allergies and inflammatory bowel disease.
    Benignuman, did I answer your question?

    #1632815

    doomsday
    Participant

    benignuman: You are ignoring the statistics I provided showing that even claims of injury from childhood vaccines are extraordinarily unlikely. It is far, far, far more likely that a child will be injured by the disease than by the vaccine.

    Doomsday: Per Department of Health and Human Services “fewer then 1% of adverse events are reported”
    So if 30,000 adverse events are reported, that means there were really 3 Million adverse events!
    168 deaths per year reported is really 16,800 deaths.

    How can you ignore that the rise in autism (1:59), diabetes (1:400), cancer, allergies(1:13), epilepsy (1:250), adhd (1:10), learning disabilities (1:6)??? Since CDC has tripled the vaccine schedule we have the
    SICKEST children in the history of the United States!!! How can you ignore all that???

    #1632816

    doomsday
    Participant

    Doingmybest: “Pls answer this. What exactly needs to be proven to you in order for you to agree?”

    Doomsday: Why won’t the CDC do a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study? (retrospective).
    There actually have been several such studies and they all show that unvaccinated children are far
    healthier then vaccinated children. But the CDC lies and says there has never been a vaxxed-unvaxxed study. And the CDC refuses to do such a study! Why do you suppose that is???

    For Decades, the Tobacco Industry LIED and DENIED that smoking causes cancer!
    Tobacco Industry hired scientists to chant “correlation does not prove causation”.
    It was a Smoker vs Non-Smoker study that finally ended the debate and PROVED smoking causes cancer.
    Now we know why CDC and Vaccine Industry will never do this study. Because it will prove that
    vaccines cause autism and many other diseases – an entire generation destroyed!

    #1632851

    interjection
    Participant

    Why does doomsday keep responding to his/herself?

    #1632865

    2scents
    Participant

    Doomsday,

    It is your theory that vaccines cause autism not genetics, so what would explain the autism detected in a child that had not received vaccines, since the rate of autism is the same.

    #1632866

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    Why have you not acknowledged and apologized for the studies you have posted yet when some have shown you that the actual content and conclusions are contrary to what you have posted, you don’t acknowledge this.

    This includes falsely posting about what is written on the MMR vaccine insert.

    Is your strategy just to overwhelm people with lies and exhaust them?

    Lastly, is there one thing that would convince you to drop the theory, or the conspiracy theory must stand at all costs?

    #1632869

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday

    I already responded to your post about “24 studies” with one of my own. None of those 24 studies do show a link between immunization and autism as you can see from searching for the phrase I posted or this one “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link”.

    The idea that there is research showing a link besides the Wakefield study is a sheker that comes from people unfamiliar with scientific studies attempting to comprehend a scientific study. One major example of this am ha’aratzus is the one I keep bringing up: claiming that thimerisol (methylethyl mercury) is damaging to the human body just because it shares words in common with ethylmercury.

    Other bits that showcase this lack of education are things like calling a cell-line “aborted baby fetus”, referring to preliminary studies showing possible correlation as evidence, and ignoring a lack of control groups.

    #1632871

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “And, to set the record straight once and for all, I PERSONALLY spoke with a gadol, one of the elder tzaddikim in america,”

    Oh yeah?
    while I spoke to an even BIGGER gadol who is THE elder tzadik in the entire world and he said to give triple doses of all vaccines that exist , and even who doesn’t vaccinate is a rasha

    #1632874

    kavod Habriot
    Participant

    Check put the FDA’s website. It states “Vaccination is Medication”.
    Why are we medicating our healthy children?? I asked that to a doctor. The response was ” You are just the parent. However, we are the medical profesionals & we decide if your child is well or sick”. Thats when I started doing research & realized there is another whole side & good reasons why people may not want to vaccinate. I consider vaccines to be very unsafe. Too many risk factors! As a parent it should be my decision and my decision only whether or not I am willing to take the risks with the bodies of my children. After all, I brought them into the world and I am responsible for their wellbeing.

    #1632875

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Why does doomsday keep responding to his/herself?”

    Probably a nasty case of encephalitis, likely caused by preventable measles.

    #1632876

    kavod Habriot
    Participant

    The companies that produce these vaccines are criminal, and I do not trust them with my children’s health. Mandating and forcing the public to participate in vaccination violates some of the core rights we have as human beings. It violates the Constitution of the United States. Therefore, it is imperative that we protect personal choice and stop mandatory vaccination. Be strong & fight to preserve our liberty and please think twice about whether or not to vaccinate your children: both the science and our history has shown that we do not require vaccines for a healthy society and if there is risk, there most certainly must be choice. Dont let anyone bully or abuse you. Its your child!

    #1632928

    benignuman
    Participant

    Doomsday,
    I don’t know where you are getting the “fewer than 1% of adverse events are reported” from (or how anyone can know that if they aren’t reported). There is a vaccine adverse event reporting system, VAERS, where doctors can report adverse events from vaccines. But that includes minor adverse effects like a fever, nausea, or a rash. It isn’t surprising that doctors don’t bother reporting most of those minor–and relatively common–adverse effects. We are talking about serious long-term adverse reactions.

    When someone suffers serious long-term injury or death from a vaccine, they are almost certainly going to bring a claim to the vaccine compensation program to help pay their costs. Therefore, the statistics of claims (remember actual payouts are far fewer) made through the vaccine compensation program is a generous metric by which to calculate the risks of vaccines. The idea that if there are claims made for 168 deaths in a year (the total number of claims for deaths from MMR over the last 30 years is only 61!) there are really 16,800 deaths is silly. If someone loses a child, they aren’t going to just forget about it. They will bring a claim.

    The rise in autism is, at least in part, due to a broader diagnosis of what constitutes autism. Autism is Colorado is 1:93 and autism in New Jersey is 1:41, not because of some serious health difference between living in the two states but because of state policies on diagnosis and providing services. Autism wasn’t even a diagnosis in the DSM until 1980–so of course its diagnosis shot up since then as psychologists and psychiatrists started recognizing it as a real condition. And the criteria for what constitutes autism has been expanded in the DSM over time (as well as government programs for autistic children greatly increasing the incentive to get an autism diagnosis). Furthermore, autism is more prevalent in children born premature. The more premature, the more likely the child will be autistic and since the 1980s doctors have gotten better and better at keeping premature children alive.

    Most importantly, vaccines were common in the US long before the boom in autism and allergies. Is it your claim that the vaccines before 1980 were safe and it is only the vaccines from after 1980 that are dangerous?

    #1633043

    doomsday
    Participant

    Humdiddledum: I created an account just so that I could post this comment.
    Doomsday – yasher koach, thank you for persevering against all the baseless hate over here.

    Doomsday: Thank you for your chizuk. Stay strong! In the end, The Truth Will Come Out!

    #1633044

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @kavod Habriot

    You are arguing from emotion, not logic. Take a step back and think for yourself. What science? What history? Have vaccines been an overall benefit or danger to society? What happened to polio? Smallpox? How many people over the age of 60 have permanent illnesses because of measles? How does measles, mumps, and rubella affect newborns? Chemo patients?

    #1633046

    doomsday
    Participant

    Interjection: Why does doomsday keep responding to his/herself?

    Doomsday: I post the Name of the person I am responding to and a quote. Learn To Read!
    Interjection, Why do ProVaxxers keep Lying?

    #1633048

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Scents: What would explain the autism detected in a child that had not received vaccines, since the rate of autism is the same.

    Doomsday: Show me the source that says the rate of autism in unvaccinated is 1:59. I have seen doctors
    report that autism is very rare among unvaccinated.
    Also, When are you going to admit that you were wrong when you said there are NO studies linking
    autism to vaccines (except for Wakefield)? A 2 minute google search proved you are wrong!

    #1633039

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, Proof Pro-Vaxxers LIE!
    Folks, 2Cents, LIED that there are NO studies linking Autism to Vaccines, except for Wakefield’s.
    A 2 minute google search showed website: 24 Published Studies Linking Autism to Vaccines.
    I posted that 2Scents LIED when s/he stated that there are NO studies linking Autism to Vaccines.
    2cents did not respond which is tacitly acknowledging s/he LIED.
    Yserbius123 responded by saying it is impossible to analyze all the studies.
    I told Yserbius that is NOT my point. I asked Yserbius again “Did 2scents LIE when s/he stated that
    there are NO Studies linking Autism to Vaccines?
    Again, Yserbius did not answer this question but said s/he found a website that those 24 studies are no good.
    Proof that Yserbius is deliberately lying by refusing to answer my question, but
    Yserbius wants audience to think that s/he did answer that 2scents did not lie, so Yserbius is also Lying to Cover-Up for 2cents Lie!

    Please use the </strong> end-tag. Otherwise your entire post comes out bold. Thank you

    #1633064

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin responded to someone who said that they asked a Gadol about vaccinating and the Gadol said
    Not to Vaccinate. Ubiquitin responded that A BIGGER Gadol said Everyone must Vaccinate.
    There is No POPE by Jews. Every Jew is allowed to Choose their own Rov and Follow their Psak!

    #1633061

    doomsday
    Participant

    2Scents: Why have you not acknowledged and apologized for the studies you have posted yet when some have shown you that the actual content and conclusions are contrary to what you have posted, you don’t acknowledge this.

    Doomsday: Just because the CDC hires Fraudulent Researchers to stay those studies are wrong doesn’t make it so! I have proved that CDC produces FAKE STUDIES in my Post regarding CDCs “Danish Studies”.
    Why hasn’t 2Scents admitted that CDC made a FAKE STUDY???

    2Scents: This includes falsely posting about what is written on the MMR vaccine insert.

    Doomsday: I have NEVER stated I am quoting an MMR vaccine insert! When will 2Scents stop lying?

    2Scents: Is your strategy just to overwhelm people with lies and exhaust them?

    Doomsday: No. That is the ProVaxxer strategy. But I am able to quickly refute all the Provaxxer LIES.

    2Scents: Is there one thing that would convince you to drop the theory?

    Doomsday: Yes. If the CDC would do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Retrospective Study. For Decades the Tobacco Industry LIED that smoking does NOT cause cancer and hired Scientists to chant “Correlation does not
    prove Causation” – EXACTLY what Vaccine Industry & CDC is doing! It was a Smoker vs Non-Smoker Study that PROVED that Smoking causes Cancer, heart disease, stroke and emphasyma!
    There have been Vaxxed vx Unvaxxed studies that show that Unvaccinated children are far healthier
    then vaccinated children. The CDC LIES and says there are no such studies – just like 2Scents LIES that there are no studies linking Autism to Vaccines. The CDC REFUSES to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study.
    2Scents – explain to my WHY CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study?

    #1633054

    Health
    Participant

    hum-diddle-dum -“Doomsday – yasher koach, thank you for persevering against all the baseless hate over here. Why anyone would think you have an alternate agenda is beyond me.”

    Because they’re Proven Liars!

    “This idea some pro-vaxxers have that all people who don’t vaccinate are crazies and uneducated is just mind-boggling.”

    Ok, so then they are all Reshoim!

    “And, to set the record straight once and for all, I PERSONALLY spoke with a gadol, one of the elder tzaddikim in america, and he told me (yes, this is a direct quote), “Stay away from vaccines. (me: All of them?) Yes, all of them”. And no, this was not a personal psak based on my situation. This was what he told me before we even discussed my family’s health. A general rule. And no, this was not 10 years ago before there was an outbreak. This was less than two weeks ago.
    I’m sorry I am not publishing his name, but I did not ask his permission to do that. If you want to ask me directly, perhaps the mods can put you in touch with me so that you can ask the shaila for youself.”

    Ok, let’s say you’re telling the truth. Maybe there is a another one or two that agree with the Anti-vaxxers. I want you to go back to him & ask what to do about vaccines. Tell him Rov Gedolim & Poskim hold you must vaccinate. You can even show him the articles on YWN. Ask him if he holds that Psak is like the Rov. Ask him why we Pasken like Bais Hillel over Bais Shammay.

    “There is nothing more to say.”
    I agree. E/o must vaccinate (that medically can) or move to Guatemala!!!

    #1633071

    doomsday
    Participant

    Benignuman: Doomsday, I don’t know where you are getting the “fewer than 1% of adverse events are reported”

    Doomsday: Benignuman, why do you LIE when I stated this is from Pg. 6 of a report from the
    Department of Health and Human Services entitled: Electronic Support for Public Health–Vaccine Adverse
    Event Reporting System , and that this report is on the internet?

    Folks, Do you notice that I keep catching the Vaccine Industry Defenders in LIE after LIE?
    Still trust the Vaccine Industry?

    #1633104

    doomsday
    Participant

    Provaxxers, when are you going to respond to my proof that CDC publishes Fake Studies?
    like the infamous “Danish Study” which I posted details of how the CDC study committed
    Fraud!

    #1633111

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    “Regressed into autism”? Do you realize what you are saying?

    #1633112

    benignuman
    Participant

    doomsday,

    I did not lie. Please don’t accuse of me of lying. I wrote that I did not know where you were getting the “fewer than 1%” statistic from. I genuinely did not know because you did not cite to anything in the post you wrote replying to me. I have not read every post you posted on this thread. That you put it in some earlier post does not mean that I knew about it.

    I have not gone back through each incidence of your claiming to have caught vaccine defenders in a lie, but if what I wrote is what you call a “LIE” then I am going to be skeptical of your other claimed “LIES.” I also note that you completely ignored the substance of what I wrote in favor of an incorrect gotcha.

    My point stands, serious injury due to vaccines is vanishingly rare. Much, much rarer than serious injury due to diseases. Therefore, it is foolish to forgo vaccines because of a minute risk and in exchange for returning to widespread disease and a much higher risk. I don’t see how you are getting around this basic math.

    #1633120

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday

    I did not lie. I did not say that there’s no way to analyze all the studies, nor did I refuse to answer your question.You told me to look for a site that claims 24 studies that link autism to immunization. As I am not a scientist, I cannot honestly tell you if those studies show what you claim. But I do know a little about science and can say that at least some of them do not come to the conclusions you claim they do. Good thing I also found a website of a real scientist that goes through each study individually and points out why the study was either invalid, or does not conclude what you claim.

    Furthermore, you are consistently refusing to acknowledge that thimerisol, a major aspect of many of your studies, is an methylethyl mercury compound and not the dangerous kind of ethylmercury. Can you address that?

    #1633124

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    As for the “Danish Study”, two seconds on Google found an article on the website “Science Based Medicine”, search for the title “The curious case of Poul Thorsen, fraud and embezzlement, and the Danish vaccine-autism studies”.

    Basically, Thorsen is a fraud. But he only worked on two studies and wasn’t even the primary researcher on either. The data from the studies is still valid and so is the data on dozens of other studies that show no link between immunization and autism.

    #1633130

    interjection
    Participant

    “Doomsday: I post the Name of the person I am responding to and a quote. Learn To Read!
    Interjection, Why do ProVaxxers keep Lying?”

    You’re the only one who does that. When most posters write a fellow poster’s title and then a colon (ie, doomsday:) they mean that they are replying to that person. I’m sorry I didn’t memorise everyone else posts and therefore didn’t realise that you were quoting them.
    I’m also not sure why you couldn’t respond without saying that I’m a liar.

    #1633137

    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbius: I did not lie….. nor did I refuse to answer your question.

    Doomsday: Please answer me: What was the question I asked you three times?
    If you do not respond – that is proof that you are lying!

    #1633134

    Vaccinator
    Participant

    Doomsday, health, kavod habriot: CDC has never published a fake study. Anyone who says so is just a plain idiot. It’s ridiculous how you keep quoting bogus studies, unverified information, and statistically insignificant studies. You clearly know absolutely nothing about how the CDC works, anything at all about science, and you certainly don’t know how pharmaceutical companies operate. This unrealistic fear of companies is totally ludicrous. I suspect that if you were in the hospital dying from meningitis, your family wouldn’t decline having IV antibiotics infused – even though they were discovered and manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. If you had out-of-control diabetes I suspect you would take insulin or other drugs to lower your blood sugar. If you r”l had cancer that was going to kill you I suspect you would take drugs to help with your cancer even though they were discovered and manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. And if your child had r”l leukemia you would let him get medications which can cure his leukemia even though the drugs were developed and manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. So, don’t be two-faced about vaccines. You have a personal vendetta that has nothing to do with data so don’t pretend that you really believe that pharmaceutical companies are criminal – you only believe that when it fits with your agenda. Autism is absolutely not caused by vaccines. Several people have very patiently debunked your “24 studies,” but you don’t listen because that is the nature of members of a cult. And, as I’ve pointed out in a previous post, AVOCADOS CAUSE AUTISM because my research has shown that the increase in autism is directly correlated with an increase in avocado consumption. So, based on your (faulty) pseudo-science, avocados cause autism.

    #1633153

    doomsday
    Participant

    Yberius: The data from the studies is still valid and so is the data on dozens of other studies that show no link between immunization and autism.
    Thank you for admitting that a CDC Researcher is a Fraud.
    Now, Please refute the proof of fraud labeled 1. 2. and 3. below!
    How CDC makes Fraudulent Studies to “prove” thimerosal-vaccines don’t cause autism (it does!):
    “The Danish Study” compared the number of newly recorded autism cases before 1992 when thimerosal containing vaccines were used to newly recorded cases of Autism after 1992, when thimerosal was removed. The study showed that the number of newly recorded cases increased after thimerosal was removed and stated this proved that thimerosal does not cause autism.
    Here is the Fraud:
    1. Before 1992, the Fake researchers only counted autistic children in Hospitals. After 1992, the Fake researchers included autistic children who were outpatients! There are 10x as many outpatient autistic children as there are in Hospitals!!!

    It is the equivalent of doing a study on “Divorce Rates in North America” and counting Mexico and Canada divorces before 1992, then adding in the United States divorces for after 1992, and claiming that divorce rates went up after 1992.
    2. The Danish Government Changed the Definition of Autism to a more inclusive one. Of course the number of children diagnosed with Autism increased!
    3. Deletion of Data – the Fake Researchers the entire year of data 2001 for seven year old children from its final published report. This is blatant Fraud!
    Additionally, all the researchers were employees or closely connected to Vaccine Manufacturers. One researcher, Poul Thorson, was indicted on 22 counts of Fraud and fled USA and is on the Most Wanted Criminals List. These are the “Holy Researchers” employed by the CDC!
    Folks, after seeing how the CDC hires Criminals to produce Fake Studies to Lie to the public that Vaccines don’t cause Autism (it does), how can you trust them?

     

    #1633142

    Meno
    Participant

    It must be terrible to live your life with the assumption that everyone is lying to you unless proven otherwise.

    I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.

    #1633156

    doomsday
    Participant

    benignumah: My point stands, serious injury due to vaccines is vanishingly rare.

    This is more proof that you Lie. I answered you that per the Department Of Health and Human Resources
    fewer then 1% of all vaccine adverse advents are reported. Therefore there are over 3 Million Vaccine Injuries per year and 1,680 Vaccine Deaths. Yet you still repeat the Lie that serious injury from vaccines is rare. Shame!

    Please use <em> and </em> for italics. Thanks

    #1633162

    Health
    Participant

    Vaccinator -“Doomsday, health, kavod habriot: ”

    WHY are you talking to me? – I vax & had my kids also vaxxed.

    #1633186

    doomsday
    Participant

    Vaccinator CDC has never published a fake study.
    Vaccinator, refute the proof of fraud labeled 1. 2. and 3. below!
    How CDC makes Fraudulent Studies to “prove” thimerosal-vaccines don’t cause autism (it does!):
    “The Danish Study” compared the number of newly recorded autism cases before 1992 when thimerosal containing vaccines were used to newly recorded cases of Autism after 1992, when thimerosal was removed. The study showed that the number of newly recorded cases increased after thimerosal was removed and stated this proved that thimerosal does not cause autism.
    Here is the Fraud:
    1. Before 1992, the Fake researchers only counted autistic children in Hospitals. After 1992, the Fake researchers included autistic children who were outpatients! There are 10x as many outpatient autistic children as there are in Hospitals!!!

    It is the equivalent of doing a study on “Divorce Rates in North America” and counting Mexico and Canada divorces before 1992, then adding in the United States divorces for after 1992, and claiming that divorce rates went up after 1992.
    2. after 1992The Danish Government Changed the Definition of Autism to a more inclusive one. Of course the number of children diagnosed with Autism increased!
    3. Deletion of Data – the Fake Researchers the entire year of data 2001 for seven year old children from its final published report. This is blatant Fraud!
    Additionally, all the researchers were employees or closely connected to Vaccine Manufacturers. One researcher, Poul Thorson, was indicted on 22 counts of Fraud and fled USA and is on the Most Wanted Criminals List. These are the “Holy Researchers” employed by the CDC!
    Folks, after seeing how the CDC hires Criminals to produce Fake Studies to Lie to the public that Vaccines don’t cause Autism (it does), how can you trust them?

    #1633195

    Health
    Participant

    doomsday -“explain to my WHY CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study?”

    I already answered this on page 2. Didn’t you read it?!?
    Anyways, here it is again:
    “All they have to do is get the Anti-vaxxers to volunteer to be part of the study. It’s unethical to force people who want the vax to be part of the study. So about you & your friends volunteer for this type of study?!?”

    #1633198

    doomsday
    Participant

    <strong?ProVaxxers, Do you believe in evolution?</strong? If you don’t then you are “Anti Science” because virtually all Scientists say that evolution is a fact!
    Do you believe a man is a woman if he says so? If you don’t then you are “Anti Science” because most Scientists say that if a man says he is woman then he really is a woman!

    Folks, scientists are paid by the government and scientists are controlled by the government.
    Scientists will say whatever the government wants them to say and will make studies to “prove”
    whatever the government wants them to “prove”.

    The same for doctors. Any doctor who says vaccines are dangerous will lose his/her license.
    So there is no point in asking your doctor if vaccines are dangerous. The doctor will say whatever
    the government orders the doctor to say.

    #1633203

    doomsday
    Participant

    Benign: When someone suffers serious long-term injury or death from a vaccine, they are almost certainly going to bring a claim to the vaccine compensation program</em?
    Wrong:
    1.When children are injured or killed after vaccination, the doctors lie and say that it was a “coincidence”
    2. Most parents never heard of Vaccine Court.
    3. There statute of limitations is much shorter then in real court so by that even if parents learn about
    vaccine court it is too late and Vaccine Court refuses to hear their claim.
    4. Parents have to pay thousands out of pocket and it can take up to 10 years for their case to finished.
    This is too time consuming, stressful and expensive for many parents.
    Does that refute your claim, Benignuman?

    #1633206

    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “2Scents – explain to my WHY CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study?”

    There are many explanations why it is not ethical not to vaccinate a group of people just for the purpose of a study, however the data is pretty clear, See below. (of course you only accept made up and twisted data that supports your theory, not true data).

    JAMA 2275444

    Conclusions and Relevance: In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.

    #1633212

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday I’ll answer the question again. There is no verified study other than Wakefield’s that shows a link between disease immunization and autism. You think otherwise and told me to look up that webpage with “24 studies”. I refuted that with another webpage I found showing how those studies are not evidence for a link.

    We are talking about the study: “A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism” yes? Because I’m having a difficult time seeing your points in the study. In fact, I couldn’t even find your points on the anti-immunization sites I pulled this from. Where did you get your information?

    1. Patients before 1992 were counted from hospitals, after 1992 they counted the total population: I don’t see anything in the study that differentiates between the datasets per year.
    2. after 1992The Danish Government Changed the Definition of Autism: Shouldn’t this be a pretty big red flag that your initial assumptions are incorrect? This kind of proves that you cannot correlate the increase in autism rates with any increase in immunization.
    3. the Fake Researchers [deleted] the entire year of data 2001 for seven year old children from its final published report.: Again, I think we are reading different studies. The CDC “Danish Study” only looks at data from 1991 to 1999.
    #1633225

    doomsday
    Participant

    Meno: It must be terrible to live your life with the assumption that everyone is lying to you

    I do not assume provaxxers are lying, I proved it!

    #1633227

    Vaccinator
    Participant

    Doomsday: Once again, your post shows a total lack of understanding of science, research, scientific studies. You’re just regurgitating the same nonsense all of the rest of the anti-vaxxers spit out. Many people have responded to your numerous nonsensical quotes and you just keep spouting the same useless nonsense over and over again. It’s not worth responding to. Go take a course in science before you pretend to understand research.

    #1633229

    Vaccinator
    Participant

    And, doomsday, it has been proven by REAL science beyond a shadow of a doubt that vaccines do not cause autism. Stop hanging on to that FAKE SCIENCE of the discredited, unethical charlatan, MR. WAkefield.

    #1633231

    Vaccinator
    Participant

    And, doomsday, I’m glad that you are quoting HHS statistics as being truth. So if you implicitly trust HHS, then you certainly will trust CDC which is part of HHS! HaHa! I GOT YOU!!!

    #1633252

    doomsday
    Participant

    Vaccinator: doomsday, it has been proven by REAL science beyond a shadow of a doubt that vaccines do not cause autism
    More Lies! Just found a website that has 150 Research Papers showing link between vaccines and autism.
    And Vaccinator, you never responded to my proof that CDC publishes fraudulent studies!
    I guess that means you can’t refute the proof of CDC’s fraud, right?

    #1633255

    doomsday
    Participant

    Vaccinator: I’m glad that you are quoting HHS statistics as being truth. So if you implicitly trust HHS, then you certainly will trust CDC which is part of HHS! HaHa! I GOT YOU!!!

    I don’t trust CDC or HHS but you ProVaxxers do – so I use quotes from CDC and HHS own website that
    proves that CDC and Vaccine Industry LIES!

    Since you trust HHS website, then do you admit that vaccines cause 3 Million Injuries
    and 16,800 Deaths every year? Please answer!

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