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  • #1642054

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    RSo – As someone intimately familiar with the yeshivish world, I cannot vouch for it being better than lubavich (especially the more modern neighborhoods.)

    Yeridas Hadoirois affects everybody.

    There are many things to criticize Chabad about, but tznius is an unfair one, especially in this dor.

    #1642056

    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    “I know I’m going to get into BIG trouble for this one, but note that Sefer HaSichos 5699 was said by the Rayatz who, as I have said before, was very “creative” in telling us history.”

    If I would say this about ANY Litvishe Godol, I’d be figuratively burned at the stake here.

    #1642060

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    Sechel – Ill say it then: There is so much yeshivish garbage history out tere, it sometimes surpasses Chabad.

    (Such as the state of Yeshivois was excellent before the war, that most gedolim were antizionist – some were but some were not, etc etc)

    He wrote a teshuva about the Rebbe not being Mashiach (i.e. all the meshichistim sources are not lehalacha or misconstrued.) I don’t believe it was published in sefer, but Harav google might be able to find it.

    #1642061

    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    YR,
    Once this is posted you will see what I wrote earlier to you, offering to correspond with you directly if the Mods can facilitate that.

    According to our Mesorah, the Alter Rebbe was instructed to write SA HaRav for the benefit of ALL Chassidim, and therefore Minhag Chabad is usually not included in his Psokim, as anyone familiar with Minhag Chabad can attest to. You don’t need to look further that the Haaros of R. Berel Levin on the bottom of the page to see how often he brings down a conflicting Minhag.

    If you read the Sicha, as you said you have, you will know that the Rebbes Shita is that our Minhag cannot be in conflict with Halacha, ever. Therefore, the Rebbe does as much as he can to resolve this apparent conflict.

    #1642063

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    Sechel: Sorry, I won’t give out my details. Privacy is very important to me.

    But if you can answer it here clearly in this forum, I’d appreciate it. (I will not attack you, I respect you too much, though I may disagree.)

    #1642073

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    CS- did you get scared away? E/o here is anxiously awaiting your answers!

    #1642072

    Eli Y
    Participant

    I’ve learned that we don’t sleep in the sukkah for the same reason we don’t sleep wrapped in tefillin,

    #1642079

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I’ve learned that we don’t sleep in the sukkah for the same reason we don’t sleep wrapped in tefillin

    The Mishna, Gemara, Rishonim, etc. didn’t have that concern.

    #1642078

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    ELi – Good comparision, except that one Hashem told us explicitly to do.

    #1642089

    laskern
    Participant

    The Aroch Chaim in Parshas Tetzaveh says in the beginning on taking pure olive oil that the last redemption will come with the strength of Moshe Rabbenu. It could be that is why his name is not mentioned in the Parsha because it is a hidden strength. The Yaaros Devash explains the gemorah ולא ידע כי בז’ אדר מת משה ובז’ אדר נולד משה the fact that he died on zayin ador he knew but he explaines that after he died he is reborn spiritually when the
    redemption comes. The Tana Debai Eliyahu says that this strength comes when we are mechadesh something.

    #1642097

    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    YR,
    Thank you for bringing the Tshuva to my attention. It’s printed in Mishne Halochos Chelek Yud Zayin. I won’t comment on it before reading the entire Tshuva, but one thing worth mentioning is the tremendous respect he accords the Rebbe, (see the last few lines of the Tshuva) and him standing up for what he saw as a Bizayon to the Rebbe (and so do I for that matter) .

    #1642100

    laskern
    Participant

    Eli Y, We don’t sleep in the sukkah because of weather conditions being mezaar or not being with the wife.

    #1642101

    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    “Sorry, I won’t give out my details. Privacy is very important to me.”

    One of the great things about Gmail is, that you can make any email address you like, and it takes about 30 seconds. If you seriously want to know everything I have to say, ask the mods to send me an email address that I can correspond with you on.

    Thanks for the accolades and the respect you give my opinions, though it’s not really deserved. Out of thousands of Lubavitchers who could tell you the same things I have, מה’ מצעדי גבר כוננו and it was me who chanced upon this thread.

    #1642102

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    Quote from SH – Therefore, the Rebbe does as much as he can to resolve this apparent conflict.

    I know. But the “as much as he can” wasn’t that great, as all those who can learn can attest. The tzaar is dubious (the Amaroyim didn;t have that tzar? If you answer that they were on a higher level so they could sleep there fine. But many answer that they didn’t know chassidus, which IMHO is kefira. Even according to them still dubious why the amorayim didn’t tell the am haaratzim not to sleep because of the tzaar)

    And the end is the kicker – tzaar of not having the tzaar is just ridicoulous and not even good enough to patur as it needs to be tzaar of sukkah (why are all the chassidim supposedly who have the tzaar of not having tzar sleeping so comfortably in bed), and even worse, they can rely on their Rebbe”s tzaar, which is something who find in no Halacha EVER.

    The sicha a poor shatnez of kabbalah and halacha.

    #1642103

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    Sechel, and of course, all those who mevazeh the Rebbe with Yechi had no problem being mevazeh Rav Menashe Klein – ON THE DAY HE DIED.

    But still nobody is willing to write these chevra out of chabad with a public kol koreh.

    #1642104

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    Laskern, what in the world does that post have to do with anything????

    #1642106

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    SH – Notice that rav Klein calls Meshichistim Apikorsim. Even though it’s not technically correct, but in metziyos it is correct, as we see from their igros-divination and other things.

    #1642107

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    Quote from CS:
    Believing the Rebbe is a Navi has nothing to do with meshichists or Rabbi wolf. You can learn the sicha yourself, Shoftim nun aleph where the Rebbe hinted as such.

    Sechel, is this true? I always thought it was some meshichisty thing. Did the Rebbe actually say this, or did he mean ruach hakodesh?

    #1642111

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    “There are many things to criticize Chabad about, but tznius is an unfair one, especially in this dor.”

    That’s what I said even when I was in the thick on the fight on this thread. It’s usually a throwing stones in a glass house scenario when people bring it up. Any tznius problem in Chabad is nowhere near as bad as in the MO or Open Orthodoxy.

    I will say for RSo, however, that he has been upfront that he is speaking from a Chassidish point of view concerning this. I think the tznius problems in the non-Chassidish community are irrelevant to him. His gripe is that the Chassidish world has always enjoyed a status of having better tznius, so for one high-visibility group to throw that into question by claiming to be the authority on what it means to be Chassidish would be frustrating.

    #1642133

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Any tznius problem in Chabad is nowhere near as bad as in the MO or Open Orthodoxy.

    That’s not a very compelling defense.

    #1642154

    Chossid
    Participant

    Rso: I’m not here to convince you, I don’t see it happening in the near future, just when you bad mouth Lubavitch and the Rebbe I do intend to say the truth, I don’t have to expect it, hut can’t make up your personal shitas and say it’s factual, without any godel backing you up.
    Until you you quote me a godel that says what you say, and not just saying many ‘gedolim didn’t hold of Lubavitch”, (which I’m sure you can find some, but not exactly what you say) I think it’s worthless to continue, because you’re getting stuck in a hole. For example, the Rebbe made up the musag nossi hador, miss quoting Gemorahs, spreading 7 mitzvos Beni noach is “Stam mishigasim”, davaning my a Rebbes/godels kaver- avodah zarah, chabad are koifri, (not all you said, but all was said, just can’t keep track of who said what), when so many Rebbeim and gedolim except Lubavitchers, and didn’t think they are koifrim, (like I named before),

    Do you still think shavah mitzvos is stam mishugasim? And nossi hador is made up by the Rebbe? And davaning by a kever is kefira…….???

    And for the record you should think twice before you say something about the Rebbe or frierdiker Rebbe, (I know when they say something that gets you offended, you just call it non true of fiction), because they are storys that they had kapeidis on people. (Useally it’s known that they don’t but sometimes we heard that they did.) If you ever want to ask michila, don’t do it here, go ask by the Rebbes ohel.

    Rso: “No, I can’t tell you what a godol is, but I can tell you just a few of the criteria that he must possess:”

    Stira menei ubei. But I can answer of you want.

    Rso: 1. He doesn’t try to explain away halochos that he doesn’t keep as irrelevant or inapplicable (e.g. sleeping in a sukkah, not eating Seudah Shlishis, davening after zman tefillah).

    First this is a monhag Lubavitch going back the doirios before, and some you can see in other kriesin. second of you know any thing about the Rebbe, he was makpid on halacha, but at the same time he respected a hanhogah of a Rebbe, but even then it is told that the Rebbe didn’t sleep a whole sukkis because of the chshash.

    Rso: “2. He doesn’t want to have his name, his picture and his movement plastered everywhere.”

    From rule book does this rule come from?
    And btw in the early years that Rebbe didn’t anyone take pictures of him, and you can see some pics that the Rebbe block, and there is a story with Sholom Yisrael (I think his last name is) chadekov, which the Rebbe block the camera, (you can see the same with the satmer Rebbe).

    Rso: “3, He doesn’t come up with childish “proofs” that his movement is the correct one (e.g. Beis Mashiach is begematria 770).”

    Don’t get the problem. (Surprised you called childish).

    Rso: “4. He tries to ensure there will be a hemshech so that it will not become a vacuum after his passing with everyone doing whatever they want in his name.”

    Again making up criterias.
    And btw do you have clue what’s going on in ponivich? Everyone still calls them godel beyisrael.

    Rso: “5. He doesn’t think about promoting himself.”

    Cool to see that you have ruach hakodesh, and know what’s going on in his mind. (And why don’t you say the same thing about shach?)

    Again these are all made up criterias by a little pipsqueak

    All I see is that many gedoilim like I mentioned before don’t think of Lubavitch and aovidy avodah zarah, koifrim, vechulu.
    They even learn Lubavitch chassidus, for example harav Chaim kaniefsky which took the sefrei chassidus chabad from Rav berel Lazar, and said to bring the seforim to his room to learn.

    #1642158

    laskern
    Participant

    Yeshivishrockstar, לעולם יהי’ אדם first be respectful! My post is based on Rso reply # 1641933 about Moshe Rabbenu.

    #1642167

    Eli Y
    Participant

    Lask: I know you are a wise man but I’ve learned that the reason the Chabad does not sleep in the sukkah is for the same reason one does not sleep wrapped in tefillin–namely, one should be fully conscious when engaged in such mitzvot.

    An explanation about wives cannot be correct since even those unmarried are not encouraged to sleep in the sukkah even under perfect weather conditions.

    #1642170

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    one should be fully conscious when engaged in such mitzvot.

    It’s not possible to be conscious while engaged in the mitzvah of sleeping in the sukkah.

    #1642177

    username123321
    Participant

    Claiming that all of Klal Yisroel outside Chabad somehow falls short is completely out of line.

    I’m not saying your falling short. I’m saying that there’s a debate over the Shiur of one’s respect to their Rov/Rebbe.

    #1642178

    username123321
    Participant

    I miss Sechel and Username.

    Thanks

    #1642179

    laskern
    Participant

    Eli Y, I just quoted the RMA in SA O’CH 639,2

    #1642182

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Dy,

    I think that’s what Eli y was saying ergo sleeping in a sukkah can’t be a mitzvah because can’t be conscious

    #1642185

    username123321
    Participant

    Some questions:
    1)Do you ask Hashem or The Rebbe when you ask the Igros?

    2) If it’s the Rebbe, can you use
    a)Just the igrois
    b)any of The Rebbe’s seforim
    c)any sefer in the world
    d)any sign in the world (eg, “Rebbe, show me your listening”, and then you see a picture of the Rebbe)

    3) Can I ask just the Rebbe, or can I ask any of the Chabad rebbeim? For that matter, can I ask Rav Moshe Feinstein in Igros Moshe?

    4)Why isn’t the Igros an issur deoiraisa of Lo Senachesh? Your asking for a sign from heaven (even from Hashem that’s assur, and Gorel Hagra was done very rarely and with lots of preperation precisely to avoid this issur)

    First of all, there is absolutely no source in the Rebbes teachings to ask Igros. Zero. The Rebbe said that everyone should appoint himself a Mashpiya, and if one doesn’t know what to do (and this, by the way, was already true before 94 – there was never a time in Lubavitch, at least not in the past two generations, that the average Chossid was able to just shmooze with the Rebbe. There just wasn’t enough time for this), he should ask a Rov for Halachic shaylas, a doctor for medical issues, or knowledgeable friends for business questions.

    The Hergesh started after the Rebbe’s passing, and I’ve never heard it ever officially encouraged (as it is absolutely sourceless), and I’ve heard a few Rabbonim (including Meshichist ones, by the way) argue against it. It seems to share a common source with the Goral HaGra, but as it’s a Hergesh, there are obviously no rules. I mean, I would definitely feel uncomfortable addressing a Rebbe picture, and I’m almost positive that in all the places that I’ve seen which talks about Rebbe pictures, nowhere did the Rebbe say that they’re to be used for communicating with him.

    Note also, that the point of the Hachanos for a Goral HaGra is to get an answer. If it would be Nichush, no amount of preparations would permit it. But if you look at the Poskim who permit the Goral HaGra, they don’t mention anything about being “prepared”. The Hetter is from “Ki Hu Chayeinu”.

    But there’s generally no problem asking questions of dead people. Look at the beginning of the third Perek of Berachos. So yes, you can ask Reb Moshe or Avraham Avinu, and there shouldn’t be any Halachic problems.

    And the Arizal would talk to the souls of those who passed away, and would learn Torah from them – implying a two way communication:

    ועתה אכתוב מקום קברות הצדיקים, כפי אשר קבלתי ממורי זלה”ה, וכבר הודעתיך כי הוא היה רואה ומסתכל בנשמות הצדיקים, בכל מקום ובכל זמן, ומכ”ש בהיותו על קבריהם, ששם נפשותיהם עומדות כנודע, גם מרחוק עיניו יביטו בנפש הצדיק העומד על הקבר שלו, ועי”ז היה יודע קבר כל צדיק וצדיק, והיה מדבר עמהם, ולומד מהם כמה סתרי תורה.

    (From the Kakdama to Shaar HaGilgulim)

    #1642197

    laskern
    Participant

    Eli Y, I think what DY is saying is that an exemption applies under some circumstances and does not apply under other circumstances, but over here this mitzva has no possibility because it always applies since it is not possible to be conscious and sleep so the mitzva will never occur.

    #1642226

    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    Username,
    Do I know you?

    #1642239

    username123321
    Participant

    I know I’m going to get into BIG trouble for this one, but note that Sefer HaSichos 5699 was said by the Rayatz who, as I have said before, was very “creative” in telling us history.

    He is also the one who told us the story about Moshe Rabbeinu sending malachim to get esrogim from Calabria, and once again he cited the Baal Hatanya as the source.

    Has anyone ever heard of the expression that ends “ירחיק עדיו”? (I told you I’d get into trouble for this.

    1. I did respond to your earlier sunidal post. Also, the story doesn’t say what time of year it took place, and for how long was it broken. It could have been broken for a few weeks in the middle of the winter.

    2. Even Leshitascha, there’s a big difference between writing fiction, as you like to call it euphemistically, and this. Writing a novel how the Brisker Rov went back in time to fight with the Chashmonaim is fiction. Writing how he ate Basar BeChalav and found a hetter isn’t fiction. It’s either true, or false. If it’s false, it could be that he trusted a person who made a mistake, or whatever. But you hold that he made it up. The thing is, that making up these things isn’t “fiction”, it’s much worse. So maybe you think that the Frierdiker Rebbe wanted to stop Chassidim from sleeping in a Sukkah, so he made up the thing that the the Mitteler Rebbe told Chassidim not to sleep in a Sukkah. Maybe you think that the Frierdiker Rebbe was to lazy to eat Seudah Shlishis, so he made that his father often didn’t eat Seudah Shlishis. But it isn’t fiction.

    3. But here, this is all irrelevant. No one argues that the Frierdiker Rebbe said that Sicha, and the Minhag was already established long before the Rebbe became Rebbe. So even Leshitascha, the blame should be on the Frierdiker Rebbe (if he invented it), not the Rebbe, and on the Mitteler Rebbe otherwise. But the way people talk about the Sicha is a strawman.

    4. The thing is, as I pointed out earlier, many communities have minhagim which violate Halacha. There’s no debate that early Chassidim Davened late (after Zman Tefilla), and there’s absolutely nowhere in Shulchan Aruch which lets you daven late for the sake of Kavana. Or, as SHY pointed out, many other communities didn’t sleep in a Sukkah. Or, as I pointed out earlier, many Litvish Yeshivas do a Heicha Kedusha. Yet, I never heard a peep from anyone against those Rebbes or Roshei Yeshivas. Yes, some Poskim said that a Heicha Kedusha is wrong and shouldn’t be done, but I’ve never heard anyone say that whichever Rosh Yeshiva started it, or Reb Yaakov Kaminetzky who legitimatized it, isn’t a Gadol because of that.

    #1642252

    Non Political
    Participant

    @ Username

    “And the Arizal would talk to the souls of those who passed away, and would learn Torah from them – implying a two way communication”

    You left out the fact that the Ari z”l took no action to bring the souls to him

    #1642248

    Non Political
    Participant

    @ username

    “I’m not saying your falling short. I’m saying that there’s a debate over the Shiur of one’s respect to their Rov/Rebbe.”

    1) No, you said Chabbad has more respect for their Rebbe.
    2) But nevermind that. In what way do you have more respect for your Rebbe?

    #1642246

    laskern
    Participant

    coffee addict, your reason for Eli Y, I don’t think is correct because RMA above needs an exemption to clear someone from the mitzva of sleeping in the sukkah, indicating that normally if the exemption does not apply there is a mitzva, but his reasoning eliminates the mitzva altogether.

    #1642241

    username123321
    Participant

    That’s not a very compelling defense.

    Why is “Chabad Light” our problem, while “Modern Orthodox” is not yours?

    #1642240

    username123321
    Participant

    Do I know you?

    How do I know? 🙂

    #1642269

    Non Political
    Participant

    @ Yeshivishrockstar

    “There are many things to criticize Chabad about, but tznius is an unfair one, especially in this dor.”

    Wrong, because the issue is not the lack of tznius per se. It is the attitude towards that lack of tznius. Chabad’s policy towards tznius may be an acceptable for NCSY not for frum shuls and schools. We do not water down yiddishkeit to make it more user friendly. This approach has been tried by the conservative movement. They didn’t manage to conserve very much. That (I believe) is RSo’s point

    #1642293

    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    “How do I know? 🙂”
    Well you can give some clues…

    #1642289

    Non Political
    Participant

    @ username

    Your examples of against Halacha are interesting

    “There’s no debate that early Chassidim Davened late (after Zman Tefilla),

    I’m sure you are aware of the cheter to finish after the zman if one started before (Shulchan Aruch HaRav based on a Tosafos).

    “many other communities didn’t sleep in a Sukkah.”

    Right, because either:
    1) It was to cold (mitztayer)
    2) The men were married and the wives didn’t go to the Sukah (k’ain t’diru)

    “Or, as I pointed out earlier, many Litvish Yeshivas do a Heicha Kedusha.”

    They have Tephila b’tzibur and Kidusha. You don’t like R’ Yaacov’s pshat? It’s a lot less of a chiddush then the Shulchan Aruch HaRav I cited above. Furthermore, this case is off the subject. The Rabbonim instituted the practice you are objecting to, they are not coming to justify it expo facto.

    I’m surprised you didn’t bring up eating inside the house on shmini sufake shvi’i in chutz l’aretz as an example.

    So, here is a question for you. What do you think all of the above cases have in common? Hint: It isn’t that we get to twist Halacha into a pretzel to justify minhagim.

    #1642300

    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    “There’s no debate that early Chassidim Davened late (after Zman Tefilla), and there’s absolutely nowhere in Shulchan Aruch which lets you daven late for the sake of Kavana”

    True, and just like the Rebbe was Meyashev not sleeping in the Sukkah, I believe that the Minchas Elazar has a Tshuva justifying Chassidim davening late. If someone here can find the source, I’d greatly appreciate it.

    #1642302

    Sechel HaYashar
    Participant

    Non Political,
    Look it up, the early Chassidim davened way way after Zman Tefilah.

    #1642303

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    “it is told that the Rebbe didn’t sleep a whole sukkis because of the chshash.”

    WHAT!!!????
    Sechel – this is what I mean about typical Chabad insanity – NOBODY can go without sleep for a few days. Yet chassid has no problem believing the Rebbe is more than a human being.

    Sechel – I thought you wanted a phone number and my real name. I don’t just hand those out indiscriminately. An email address I can give the mods. Also, please answer my Nevuah question in a public forum – did the Rebbe actually say he was a Navi like CS claimed? I hope not. Because if he did, I have some reconsidering about the Rebbe being a gadol I have to do.

    I have no intention of bringing up sukkah again here in this forum – my main intention was to demondtrate that it’s not merely sinas chinam when litvishers call certain chabadniks kofrim, but rather that there’s a basis for that.

    Username, I like how you cleverly avoided my questions without answering them. CS is just avoidning them? Or more likely she’s busy.

    Laskern – Please don’t tell me Leolam Yehai Adam. Be an adam and actually READ what I write before responding with the appropriate propoganda point.

    #1642306

    Yeshivishrockstar
    Participant

    Cool to see that you have ruach hakodesh, and know what’s going on in his mind. (And why don’t you say the same thing about shach?)

    Show some respect. Nobody here has called the Rebbe plain “Schneerson”. Rav Shach learned far more than you, he deserves the title Rav. Chabad Shlucha showed how someone can disagree with Rav Shach respectfully, and gained a few admireers (I for one) in how she did it.

    #1642310

    RSo
    Participant

    rockstar: “but tznius is an unfair one, especially in this dor”

    I disagree. We’re not talking about individual acts and individual nisyonos. We’re talking about the apparent shita of a movement, and there’s no excuse for having a bad shita.

    #1642312

    RSo
    Participant

    Neville, nice to hear from you again.

    And thanks for explaining my gripe with tznius in lubavich perfectly.

    #1642313

    RSo
    Participant

    Chossid: “And nossi hador is made up by the Rebbe?”

    Yes, and I have proven it. Remember, my statement was that there has been no such thing for (at least) hundreds of years. Moshe Rabbeinu was the Nossi Hador. There were nesi’im of Shevatim. There were the nesi’im in Eretz Yisroel. But the concept Nossi hador as applied to someone in the last hundreds of years originated with the last lubavicher rebbe.

    (I was going to answer the question you asked immediately prior to the one I quoted above, but I thought that there’s no point stam offending you. וד”ל)

    #1642314

    RSo
    Participant

    Chossid: “but even then it is told that the Rebbe didn’t sleep a whole sukkis because of the chshash”

    I’m glad you wrote “it is told” because this is one of the stories that someone made up and became viral. What about the gemoro that someone who makes a shevuo that he won’t sleep for 3 consecutive days is lokeh miyad and can sleep, as it is a shevuas shov since it is impossible? Or will you say that your rebbe is different?

    I remember the belief in lubavich even after gimmel Tammuz was that the rebbe never slept, and at best he dozed in a chair for a short period. Then the book written by someone who helped at the rebbe’s home came out in which he said clearly that he would put multiple negel vasser bowls near the rebbe’s bed because the rebbe would have to get up a few times in the middle of the night (due to his age).

    #1642315

    RSo
    Participant

    Chossid on my “criteria”: “Again making up criterias.”
    100%. It is what I, and I alone, expect from a gadol beYisroel. Who makes up your criteria? Seriously.

    “And btw do you have clue what’s going on in ponivich? Everyone still calls them godel beyisrael.”
    Everyone. You forget that I’m not a Litvak.

    Rso: “5. He doesn’t think about promoting himself.”
    Cool to see that you have ruach hakodesh, and know what’s going on in his mind. (And why don’t you say the same thing about shach?)”
    No ruach hakodesh. But every frum Yid decides for themselves who is a gadol beYisrael. Some might use criteria given by others, but in the end each Yid decides which criteria to use. Just as you chose to believe whatever your rebbe says. It’s YOU choosing to do that. No one is forcing you.
    So even though I don’t KNOW what’s going on in “his mind” I have to judge by what I see. And that’s the way I see it.
    And in reply to saying the same thing about Rav Shach. You don’t know what I think of him because I haven’t discussed him, so please don’t assume.

    “Again these are all made up criterias by a little pipsqueak”
    Yep. This pipsqueak is making criteria (there is no such word as criterias, as criteria is already the plural) to determine what this pipsqueak should believe. As I wrote above you can decide on your own criteria for your far more brilliant mind.

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    Yasher koach username for stating unequivocally that there is no source for using the Igros and that you think it is improper.

    You are certainly in the minority in lubavich.

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