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A friend of mine mentioned to me how they feel it’s very important to say Good Shabbos. It shows good middos and Ahavas Yisrael. What do you think?
I agree. its the mentchlicht thing to do i know this thread will spiral into other directions but the answer is yes your friend is right.
I get very offended when people say Good Shabbos to me. I’m pretty sure they mean well, but I still get offended.
i’ll spiral it in other directions, i have made a study of people in boro park in both the winter in the summer, wanting to see if A) they deserve the reputation of being mean and not answering when you tell them good shabbos andB) if the season makes a difference. i am not totally done my survey ( which has taken about a year so far) but so far A) 87% of people answered me ( or those others that i drafted to help me) with more answers in the earlier hours and from people walking alone andB) for some reason, a higher percentage of people answered in the winter then in the summer.
any thoughts on why this is?
Really, DaasYochid? Offended? I’m trying to understand – unless that was tongue-in-cheek – is it because you suspect the motives? Do you feel like someone is trying to be irritatingly mekarev you? Or that you might just be a part of skripjka’s statistical study? I’d actually like to hear you expand on your comment.
Is it menchlach or not necessary for a man to wish Good Shabbos to women he passes in the street. I think older women one should definitely say good shabbos, my question is to the same age women or younger?
A friend of mine mentioned to me how they feel it’s very important to say Good Shabbos. It shows good middos and Ahavas Yisrael. What do you think?
Well, I guess I show good middos and Ahavas Yisroel only one day out of every seven…
The Wolf
Meh. Do you say hi to every frum stranger you meet on a normal day? Why should Shabbos be any different, and how does a two word greeting strengthen ahavas yisroel?
ZB: That is part of Kovod Shabbos. To greet (even strangers) with a ‘Gut Shabbos’.
And Mrs. D: Welcome to the CR!
<CAUTION> You’ll get used to it!
LF- In Hilchos Shabbos perek 30, rambam lists all the actions that are subsumed under kavod Shabbos, and saying a special greeting to people is not on the list. If you know of any sources that say it is, I’d love to hear it.
Zogt besser: Here is the Mkor – last weeks Parsha: Veheyai Berocho
Shabbos is the Mekor Haberocho – So be a sport and bentch a fellow Yid.
Really, DaasYochid? Offended?
No, not really.
I’d actually like to hear you expand on your comment.
I’m just making fun of how some people seem to think it’s a mitzvah to get offended by naarishkeit (nothing to do with the OP).
ZB: It’s part of how we’re ???? our ?????.
LF- source? I’ve never seen ???? ??? interpreted to mean that one has to wish a good Shabbos to people. If you have a mekor for any of this I’ll retract, but at this point I’m skeptical that greeting other people is part of the halachic category of kavod Shabbos. As I said before, it’s not in rambam or s”a.
Mishna brura says to say Good Shabbos or Shabbos Shalom.
“Is it menchlach or not necessary for a man to wish Good Shabbos to women he passes in the street”
From what I hear, in most circumstances, the women don’t expect or want a greeting from men,
Is it menchlach or not necessary for a man to wish Good Shabbos to women he passes in the street. I think older women one should definitely say good shabbos, my question is to the same age women or younger?
I make it a point to say “Good Shabbos” to all Jews on Shabbos*. And I say “Good morning/afternoon/evening” to those who don’t seem to be Jewish.
The Wolf
* Yes, there are exceptions. If a group of people are walking by all talking among themselves, I’m not going to interrupt them for my “Good Shabbos.” But for the most part, yes, I try to greet everyone that I reasonably can.
“Do you say hi to every frum stranger you meet on a normal day?”
Growing up oot we did this.
OOT you don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks.
Joseph – regardles of whether or not it’s true, what’s your source for that? I figured you as someone who’s never left brooklyn.
OOT you don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks.
I live in Brooklyn. I don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks either.
The Wolf
wolf – sure you do, you just didn’t realize it because none of them said “hi”
I’m offended when someone says good shabbos to my children. Just because they have ADD doesn’t mean it’s okay for strangers to say good shabbos to them.
you lost me on that one
zogt_besser: The Shla HaKodesh says that on Shabbos we should greet one another with Gut Shabbos and not Good morning, etc.
Rebbe Akiva Eiger says that by saying Gut Shabbos, one fulfills a Torah commandment of “zachor es yom hashabbos lekadsho.”
wolf – sure you do, you just didn’t realize it because none of them said “hi”
Actually, I don’t. I know because my wife and I actively try to say “Good Shabbos” to them going to and from shul.
The Wolf
I live in Brooklyn. I don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks either.
Brooklyn is very large, with over two million residents. Some frum Brooklyn neighborhoods are more congested than others. And some people walk more blocks than you do.
Walking down four or so avenues in some Brooklyn neighborhoods, on some streets during some parts of the day, you can pass by about a couple dozen people between both sides of the street and intersections you pass.
Without nitpicking every word like it’s a gemorah, the point is you pass a lot more pedestrians in parts of NYC than you do in many other places.
Without nitpicking every word like it’s a gemorah, the point is you pass a lot more pedestrians in parts of NYC than you do in many other places.
No, the point was to rebut Syag’s assertion that I do pass that many people but don’t realize it.
Of course some parts of Brooklyn are more crowded than others. I never denied that.
The Wolf
Whatcha talkin ’bout Mr. Wolf? I made a comment. You quoted and replied to my comment. I quoted and replied to your comment to me. Where does Syag fit into this picture?
Whatcha talkin ’bout Mr. Wolf? I made a comment. You quoted and replied to my comment. I quoted and replied to your comment to me. Where does Syag fit into this picture?
I was responding to him, above. That’s why I always quote the people I’m responding to in italics, to avoid this sort of misunderstanding.
The Wolf
Whatcha talkin ’bout Mr. Joseph?
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/time-to-say-good-shabbos#post-586001
You quoted me in italics, not her.
Conversation Flow:
Joseph: OOT you don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks.
Wolf: I live in Brooklyn. I don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks either.
Joseph: Brooklyn is very large, with over two million residents…
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Without nitpicking every word like it’s a gemorah, the point is you pass a lot more pedestrians in parts of NYC than you do in many other places.
Wolf: No, the point was to rebut Syag’s assertion that I do pass that many people but don’t realize it.
Syag was a different conversation with you. Not this.
Joseph tzodek
I often wish stranger’s a good morning, who wouldn’t like a smile and greeting to start the day?
Although sometimes i try to say good shabbos to ppl, it is not mandatory.
I’ve been in Brooklyn, queens, Chicago, and all the communities are the same, you get some who say it some who don’t.
I personally think that if the person is a stranger there is no reason to greet them.
Shabbos shouldn’t really make for a difference in getting ppl.
I tried.. I offered someone Good Shabbos today, and they thought I was crazy..
(ps – I really am)
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