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    AZOI.IS
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    IMHO, those who feel their lives are/will be enriched by believing (Emesdik Yiddishkeit), choose to believe, no matter what proofs are offered to the contrary.

    Those who feel their lives are not/will not be enriched by believing, choose not to believe, no matter what proofs are offered to the contrary.

    No “proof” is undebatable.

    True or false?

    #896149

    or

    #896150
    gavra_at_work
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    False.

    Some believe because they know nothing else, and are purposly kept ignorant. Nothing to do with having “an enriching life”.

    #896151
    WolfishMusings
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    No “proof” is undebatable.

    I would think that, by definition, a proof *must* be debatable (or, at the very least, defensible). Otherwise, it’s just an assertion.

    The Wolf

    #896152
    golfer
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    False

    Wolf is right.

    #896153
    WIY
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    Azoiis

    Jews dont have an obligation to believe we have an obligation TO KNOW that HAshem hu Elokim. Vyadaata Hayom Vehasheivosa el Levovecha Ki HAshem Hu Elokim Ain Od.

    #896154
    HaLeiVi
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    So that’s what it boils down to? If you feel that it will make you happy you believe it, other wise you don’t!?

    #896155
    yytz
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    I’ve heard that according to brain science research, many times people make a decision impulsively or intuitively, and then think of reasons to explain why they did that, even though those weren’t really the reasons. So AZOLIS may be right in a sense — people make a gut decision and then justify it. I think many people would never consider believing that the Torah (particularly the Oral Torah) is true and binding because they just can’t imagine that’s what G-d wants, because they have negative stereotypes about what Orthodox Jews are like, or because they think it would be impossible or extremely unpleasant to “have to follow all those rules.” But under the right conditions they can change their minds about what they’ll allow themselves to believe. Sometimes “proofs” may help nudge them in that direction, sometimes not.

    #896156
    AZOI.IS
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    WM,

    “I would think that, by definition, a proof *must* be debatable (or, at the very least, defensible). Otherwise, it’s just an assertion”.

    Everything we offer as “proofs” are rejected by non-believers as assertions, countering with “proofs” of their own, that we consider assertions.

    #896157
    lebidik yankel
    Participant

    False. Its completely true that people generally believe what they want ot believe. No question about that. However a sincere truth seeker can sideline his negios enough to give the other side a hearing. The truth can emerge.

    #896158
    yichusdik
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    And then there are those who try to find a pshara between their rational understanding and their subjective belief; And there are many who have emunah pshuta but less confidence in the most recent iterations and interpretations of the mesorah.

    #896159
    ready now
    Participant

    Free will is given so people can debate and debate proofs, but it is a Hillul Hashem to invite anti-Torah responses from the beginning, or to host them or to disseminate them.

    #896160
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    You have to prove a positve , not prove a negative

    I have to prove I have $5 in my pocket, you dont have to prove that I dont have the money

    #896161
    ready now
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