Violating Mitzvas D'Rabbanon

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  • #602879
    shmoel
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    Is the punishment for violating a m’drabbonon less than the punishment for violating a m’doraisa?

    For example if someone eats a chicken-and-cheese sandwich is his gehenom for that less than if he went mixed swimming?

    #867085
    147
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    When you get up to Olom haBo, send us an e-mail letting us know, what happned up there

    #867086
    Rav Tuv
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    Trollish Question.

    #867087
    cheftze
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    Where does violating a rabbinical decree, that isn’t a drabonon and isn’t even universally accepted, fit in? i.e. Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom isn’t a drabonon (it was not instituted by Chazal) and wasn’t universally mekabel by all of klal yisroel. So if someone from a community that had accepted the cherem violates it, what aveira — if any — has he transgressed?

    #867088
    Alefas Shlomo
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    Rabenu Yonah in sha’ar gemel elaborates on the topic in the beginging as well as it is adressed by the ran in drush 7. Also look at the gemara brachos on daf daled with rebbe tarfon that one who transgresses the command of the rabanun is m’cheuv me’ssa and it it worth looking at rabenu yonah there as well (he is in the rif in brachos).

    #867089
    cheftze
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    Alefas: What do they say there? Eating a chicken and cheese sandwhich is chayiv misa?

    #867090
    oomis
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    We know that D’rabbanan is typically less chomur than D’Oreisah. That doesn’t mean we should be oveir such mitzvos witht he idea that we are getting a pass because it is “only” d’rabbanan. However, the onesh is probably always more serious when transgressing a law that Hashem Himself gave versus a rabbinic decree that is put in force to help uphold a D’Oreisah. Does that sound about right?

    #867091
    mosheemes2
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    This is up there with the trolliest troll questions which have ever been trolled.

    As a practical matter you’re comparing people who are omer mutar on a d’oreisah, to people who are likely over b’meizid to a d’rabannan (at least in our cultures, where most people would as a matter of course assume chicken is a meat product).

    That’s not actually a difficult question.

    #867092
    cheftze
    Member

    How can anyone ever even think omer muttar on mixed swimming?? Certainly anyone engages in that activity knows he is sinful and couldn’t care less. Why would he think that is muttar but chazzer is assur? The only difference is he has a much greater taiva to swim with girls (or boys) than to eat pig.

    #867093
    Right Path
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    If you violate a m’drabbonon, you are actully also violating the Lav of Lo Soser which is m’doraisa.

    #867094
    WolfishMusings
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    How can anyone ever even think omer muttar on mixed swimming??

    It depends on how you define “mixed swimming.”

    When Eeees and I went to St. Thomas a number of years ago, we had our own private swimming pool and went swimming together. There were some posters who took me to task on it saying “how could you go mixed swimming?” Apparently he felt that swimming in private with your wife is mixed swimming. Others on these boards (myself included) disagreed.

    The Wolf

    #867095
    nishtdayngesheft
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    Mr. Wolf,

    Do you think that this is really the place to post the private things you do with your spouse?

    #867096
    WolfishMusings
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    Do you think that this is really the place to post the private things you do with your spouse?

    Maybe, maybe not…. but that’s not the topic of conversation here.

    Besides, swimming isn’t a particularly private activity. Would you also object to my saying that I ate dinner with my wife? Or played Scrabble?

    (Then again, that same poster objected to my playing Scrabble [or any game] with her as well, so who knows?)

    The Wolf

    #867097
    Toi
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    R’ Yonah Shaar gimmel. yikes.

    #867098
    Patri
    Member

    Toi – What does it say there?

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