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Did anyone here anything about this? I heard Reb Yaakov Emden points it out and is specific about Iceland.
Can anyone please elaborate?
Sefer Migdal Oiz from Reb Yaakov Emdin.
Bottom of column 1 on page 278.
what does it say?
ill let you jump in and see for all of us if it is 😀
it says that some sharei gehenom are volcanoes like in iceland. They had something called mesechta gehennom
The sharrei gehenim are IN the core of the earth where there is lava over there, so it comes out every once in a while and yes indeed, VOLCANOES are the sharrei gehenim
The sharrei gehenim are IN the core of the earth
Why would a spiritual place like Gehenom need a physical gate?
The Wolf
Good question.
Why would anything spiritual need a physical counterpart?
The Gemorah is full of references to the physical counterparts of Gehinnom. Smoking graves of reshoim. Chochomim who searched for the entrance to Gan Eden. Korach and his sons, why did they descend into the earth? Why could their voices be heard coming from underground in that particular physical location for generations after?
Good question. I don’t know why.
Smoking graves of reshoim.
Korach and his sons, why did they descend into the earth? Why could their voices be heard coming from underground in that particular physical location for generations after?
Those are clearly miraculous events and were not a part of the “everyday” world as volcanoes are.
Chochomim who searched for the entrance to Gan Eden.
Do you know that they searched for a *physical* entrance?
And even if the answer is yes, it could be argued that since the Torah depicts Gan Eden as a physical place (even if it is no longer so), there is basis for that. One cannot say the same for gehenom.
The Wolf
why not?
why not?
Why yes?
In any event, I explained it above. Gan Eden was described as a physical place on this earth (even if it is no longer so). Gehenom, to my understand, is not*.
The Wolf
* But hey, I could be wrong. Lord knows I’m wrong often enough.
WOLF- I would think Hashem is trying to send us a mssge. So He shows us the spiritual things in a physical manner so we realize how true true it is.
when a volcano erupts it is coming from the core of the earth, the gehenim’s are “smoking”
YW Moderator,
I agree with you and I’d like to add another thing. We ourselves are just the physical counterparts of our spiritual neshamos.
WOLF- I would think Hashem is trying to send us a mssge. So He shows us the spiritual things in a physical manner so we realize how true true it is.
I don’t have a problem with that concept. But that’s a far cry from saying that volcanoes are the literal gates to hell.
The Wolf
I heard about this
It should be so obvious that volcanos are the shaarei gehenim. Only a fool would say not.
Where does the idea that Gehinnom is a “hot” place come from? The only source I know of is a Christian one (i.e. fire and brimstone, etc). Our ideas are much different (unless someone can provide an authoritative source to the contrary). If anything is a hot place, it is Olam Habah, as follows:
The temperature of heaven can be accurately computed. The authority is Sefer Yeshaya (Perek 30 Passuk 26) which says, “Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days”.
Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times as much as the earth does from the sun, or eight times in all.
With this data we can compute the temperature of heaven. The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses eight times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation:
(H/E)^4 = 8
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Isn’t “????? ???” brimstone and fire? The term is a Jewish one.
Squeak, you are awesome!
< humor >
Of course, the question really depends on whether or not hell is exothermic or endothermic. I won’t link to it, but do a Google search for the answer to the question. 🙂 < /humor >
The Wolf
Isn’t “????? ???” fire and brimstone? The term is a Jewish one.
Yes, but the association of “fire and brimstone” with hell is not necessarily a Jewish concept. Sodom’s fire did not necessarily come from hell (on the contrary, I would think it came from heaven. The pasuk explicitly says ?? ????? 🙂 )
The Wolf
SJS, thanks – but I didn’t come up with it. I’d suggest that you could thank H T Wensel, but I’m sure that wherever he is now it is very, very hot 🙂 🙂 🙂
HAHA! I’ll look him up. I’ve heard the exothermic/endothermic example but “yours” was a new one.
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