Was Rabbi AJ Twerski Right , the core of addiction is low self esteem?

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  • #2593158
    nevuah
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    And then habit….

    #2593159
    nevuah
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    I’m actually starting to see the self esteem angle

    #2593218
    ??coffee addict
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    Chaim,

    As my OP stated I agree with that statement it’s a סימן not a סיבה

    I think most but not all addicts have low self esteem

    #2593246
    Zanvil
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    @ Chaim87

    the reason behind food is being hungry, and that hunger has a natural limit. There is an underlying reason for eating, and that is simple: when you feel hungry, you eat.
    However, you may develop an obsession with certain foods just to fulfill a specific craving.
    but , Feeling the need to get a “high” or a boost of happiness from food isn’t random. Obviously, if you just need to feel high or happy, it starts as an obsession.
    But the true difference between an obsession and an addiction isn’t just about fulfilling a craving you can’t control. Here is the real point: what is the actual reason behind that craving and that need for pleasure?Why would I desperately need that pleasure at exactly 9:00 PM or 11:00 AM every single day? Am I feeling depressed underneath, needing to feel “impressed” or to receive some sort of elation? Either you want to feel high just to feel cool, or something deeper is pushing you to need that feeling. If someone has a daily obsession to chase that feeling just to feel cool every single day, then it is no longer just a craving—it is a form of addiction. its all binding with how you relate to yourself , do you feel trapped or pressured etc.

    sum:Addiction isn’t a substance problem—it’s more of an escape problem rooted in low self-esteem. When we secretly dislike who we are , we use distractions just to numb the pain and feel “cool” for a moment. Conversely, people with high self-esteem possess the internal resilience to face reality directly; they don’t look for an exit because they trust that every problem has a solution, even if it takes weeks or months of discomfort to find it. Ultimately, the internal mathematics are simple: if you don’t respect yourself enough to believe you can fix your life, your only logical equation is to escape it. (whatever)

    #2593341
    Smsbsbys
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    Wow! What great conversations!

    I have done extensive research on this subject – the core root of these behaviors is being wrapped (consumed) in one’s own brain/thoughts/feelings and letting them overrun a person. One of the causes of this selfish behavior may be self esteem or self consciousness, but there are plenty other causes as well.

    When someone is chasing their selfish desires – it’s pretty easy to become seduced which we say in Shema everyday – “Be aware that you do not become seduced…..”

    So what happens after a person becomes seduced….

    Scientifically – certain drugs/inappropriate images, gambling, certain financial lifestyles, and the list goes on…. activates hormones within us that increase a false sense of joy and pain relief (although this hormone is “naturally” released at very specific times). The user experiences this and then wants to experience it again and again doing whatever it takes – theft, lying, etc – until it becomes literally really painful not to have it and that drug/gamble/spending spree/inappropriate image becomes that person’s god and what happens when someone is caught in idol worship? – “They have eyes, but they do not see, they have ears…… and the people who worship them become like them.”

    AA, NA, GA, and all the support groups teach the first step in recovery is recognizing there is a greater power than oneself. Other steps include doing teshuvah to those that the addict has hurt, taking stock of oneself and helping others…. Is any of this sounding familiar?

    We are in galus, we are living among an attitude of WIIFM – what’s in it for me – and that is a very dangerous attitude that is proven to lead to destruction. It is unfortunately creeping into our Jewish world bit by bit by bit.

    We do find the answer however to this in the “rebellious child” – which is really not about the child at all! It is about the home and community working together in a Torah environment to raise a child properly. So, the following questions come up…

    – Are parents united and raising their child toward a relationship with G-d?
    – Is ima thinking – give the child a break and abba thinking this child really needs to be disciplined?
    – Are we really raising our children with Torah principles?
    – If there is an elder in the town then there is a yeshiva so is the yeshiva and the parents united as well in what is being taught to this child?
    – Are we actually mentally there for our children (both at the home and the school)?
    – Are we learned enough and confident enough in Torah that when we teach we are able to allow them to question and explore or do we become defensive?
    – Are we balanced enough that we push with the right (chesed) and pull with the left (gevurah)?
    – Are we allowing a child to reach their own behira points or are we assuming our behira points are theirs? Are we helping them through this stage of free will or are we forcing them?
    – Are we enabling our children by giving them excuses not to behave properly and/or not teaching them how to use their G-d given characteristic/talents properly?

    The point is this is a community issue. There is not just one quick fix. We have the answers from HaShem, we just need to ask the hard questions and do the work to fix the challenges and set ourselves straight.

    #2593718
    nevuah
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    I think it also has to do with, bad habits. For example, if I’m surrounded by gluttony, that’s all I know. So habits, stability, exercise, fixing the diet, even healing the gut (bad gut bacteria, I believe can be the root cause for cravings, even sugar cravings)
    Something in that person’s life might also be missing,
    Sometimes it’s coming from a want, and a habit that formed, drugs being something extremely difficult to stop using, so once the habit is formed I don’t know if it’s self asteem anymore.
    If a person lacks stability let’s say, they might try to control their envirment, or become neorotic.
    If a person is keeping a neorotic lifestyle they may become OCD or have high anxiety. Thoughts and beliefs are also habit forming. And getting to the root of the problem will help get to underlying issue.
    Alot of times people blame the habit but it’s not always the habit itself.
    If a person is too comfortable, they might have an inflated ego, and then they will act controlling.
    A person who has zero accountability and is used to getting their way will justify their behavours no matter what they are.
    I can’t see that it’s always one thing as everybody’s life circumstances are generally very unique to them.

    #2593949
    Chaim87
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    @Zanvil
    why can’t the reason for your craving be because it tastes good and its fun? Yes I get used to that fun fix and now I crave it? It has to be because I “need” an escape? I don’t think so

    #2593982
    Zanvil
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    Is it fun to chew candy? Is it fun to drink coffee? Is it fun to feel hyper? Does it make sense to say, “It is fun to be happy”?Do you understand why it doesn’t seem related? Let me explain. Fun is more of an action—or better said, when you are doing an action to gain stimulation, it is called having fun. Happy is a feeling. So, you’re telling me it’s fun to have a feeling? I’m not always talking about an escape room, and I don’t think there is a need to escape.So, let’s break it up.
    You claim it’s fun to have a “hyper” feeling, just as you call it fun to feel cool. Everything you do has a reason. The reason you feel cool didn’t just happen in one minute; after a while, you adopted that feeling of being cool.That brings us to part one: you had a reason why you needed to have fun. Part two: you felt great after letting loose, so you felt satisfied. After repeating these two steps, you decide it is fun to have a certain feeling.Consider food cravings. A craving usually means you need a specific taste; you become obsessed with it. But is it actually fun to crave? Maybe after you indulge, you get that relief of thinking, “Yum.” Therefore, you are calling it “fun” based entirely on the after-result.We are not saying that every time you crave something, there is a need for an escape. What we are saying is that when a person feels threatened, they will do something to soothe themselves. Often, this stems from low self-esteem—where a person constantly feels exposed, judged, or emotionally unsafe, unhappy , .When someone feels unsafe too often, they become obsessed with the very thing that soothes them just to feel secure. In the long run, they will rely on this obsession without thinking because they desperately need that relief.This is exactly how addiction happens. You create a fixed path of obsession to soothe your situation. So, how did it all start? It started because this person didn’t feel safe, and they needed to soothe themselves just to feel a sense of relief. (makes sense?)

    #2594695
    nevuah
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    Zanvil, sorry I realized we are saying similar things.
    But I don’t agree that all outlets have some deep esoteric purpous. The problem with getting too technical is that we don’t let ourselves be human. Some things don’t have to have such a deep definition. It just exists.
    Balance between what you believe and what you let go of and let be….is important. Giving too much framework to having fun just being a person that does xyz, is ok.
    Otherwise we end up becoming so strict we never breathe. And I don’t think that’s healthy either

    #2594693
    nevuah
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    Zanvil “enjoyable” is a more accurate word
    Also food cravings which is actually connected to servival is sometimes because your body needs a certain nutrient. So let say someone loves savery, it’s cuz thier body needs those cleansing nutrients. The enjoyment is nature’s way of keeping you alive.
    When it comes to self soothing, that’s also a servival mechanism as someone probably trying to regulate their nervous system
    I don’t neccisarily think people want to be self destructive. But again you cant categorize enjoyment and say it’s all self destructive when it’s not.
    Also another point if someone is doing destructive habits to fill a need, the habit is not the problem the need is. Fix the root problem and then they can focus on productive living

    #2594691

    on “fun”: R Twerski called up one of his former patients when he heard that the guy found $1000 and returned the money to the owner. Rav asked him how it felt. A: when I was doing drugs, I felt high for an hour. Now, it is 6 months after I returned the money, and I am still happy about it.

    #2595214
    nevuah
    Participant

    Always ask questions again your demonizing and carpamentalizing what being human is.
    Your point is strong. Doing good equal good feeling for a long time.
    That’s a powerful message
    But the overall underhanded argument is that enjoying life and not taking life so serious all the time is “wrong” I feel like people do that when they sacrificed too much of themselves for a belief system and just like they are never allowed to let loose no one can either
    This is cognitive dissonance talking, control from fear talking.
    And what it’s reflecting is a belief system that doesn’t have true balance from the foundation
    If we went back to being real people and being human instead of fitting into some strict ideal shoved down our throats by a system that lacks human forgiveness, we would never be trying to justify ourselves

    #2595335

    nevuah, could you before posting send your text into AI and ask it to add – at least – punctuation. This is more efficient than all of us doing it!

    as the king wrote kill not pardon
    Let’s eat Grandma

    #2595640
    Chaim87
    Participant

    I confess alot of the comments are too deep for me. But the way I read it, you are all syaing that low self esteem could be a reason or siman why one is addicted. I agree. But I think its way overused. I think we say that because then we feel we have a cure for it, (fix the low self esteem). On the other hand, its very possible a perosn just started it bec it was cool at the time. Their firedns were doing it and it was aw ay to have fun or let loose (smoking is very much that especially in HS). Now they are just addicted to the fix. In other words tavious are addcitive in it of itself and not because of a low self esteem. I think people don’t like saying that because then whats the cure to fix that? We like to think we have a solution to every problem. sadly we don’t

    #2595879
    nevuah
    Participant

    Always ask questions let’s see if AI is smart enough 😉

    #2596621

    AAQ> explain this message and rewrite in normative english:
    AI> Rewritten in Normative English
    Always question rigid assumptions. You are vilifying and oversimplifying the human experience.
    Your point is valid: doing good leads to lasting fulfillment, and that is a powerful message. However, the subtle underlying argument—that enjoying life and not taking things too seriously is somehow wrong—is flawed. This perspective often comes from individuals who have sacrificed too much of themselves for a strict belief system. Because they feel forbidden from relaxing, they believe no one else should be allowed to either.
    This reaction stems from cognitive dissonance and fear-driven control. It reflects a worldview that lacks fundamental balance. If we returned to being genuine human beings—rather than trying to fit into rigid ideals imposed by an unforgiving system—we would no longer feel the need to constantly justify our existence.

    Explanation of the Message

    The writer is criticizing a rigid, overly strict moral or ideological worldview. Their argument breaks down into five key points:

    Categorization vs. Humanity: They argue that judging or strictly categorizing human behavior (“demonizing and compartmentalizing”) strips away the complexity of what it actually means to be human.

    Critique of Self-Righteousness: While acknowledging the power of doing good, they object to the implicit message that simple enjoyment or relaxing is inherently wrong or sinful.

    Projection of Sacrifice: They suggest that people who demand total strictness often do so because they themselves have sacrificed too much for a belief system. Out of resentment or fear, they feel no one else should be allowed to enjoy life either.

    Fear and Lack of Balance: They diagnose this mindset as cognitive dissonance and fear-based control, arguing that any belief system requiring such rigidity lacks true foundational balance.

    Loss of Forgiveness: Finally, they contend that society has replaced natural human empathy and forgiveness with artificial, unyielding ideals pushed by institutional systems, forcing people to constantly defend and justify their existence.

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