What is Sinas Chinam?

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  • #2580629
    ujm
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    During the times of the Beis Hamikdash people were kind to each other, full of Chesed just for the sake of kindness.

    So what is the Sinas Chinam that the Beis Hamikdash was destroyed for?

    The Sinas Chinam then was that when people saw other people do an Aveira, they said “live and let live”, and failed to call them out for their Aveira, as we are required to.

    All this is clearly brought out in the יערות דבש,
    based on the Gemorah.

    #2581416
    GadolHadofi
    Participant

    Joseph Goebbels,

    Look in the mirror for the definition of “Sinas Chinam” since you are the very embodiment of it.

    Your close relative was an SS officer so you’re full of filthy Nazi blood and not even Jewish!

    #2581659
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Dear UJM,

    No offense intended, sir.

    But with all due respect, you are the living personification
    of Sinas Chinam (in addition to your amazingly wicked record of:
    Lashon HaRa, Motzi Shem Ra, super-machlokes, laitanus,
    onaas devarim, and being a super-rodaif & a super-mosair.)

    I did NOT intend to say those things about you,
    but when you asked, I felt obligated to answer your question.

    Since you asked, you have nobody to blame but yourself
    about the fact that I answered your question. Sorry about that.

    ________________________________________________________________________
    Getting back to your question about:

    What is the definition of Sinas Chinam?

    ________________________________________________________________________
    Rabbi Binny Freedman said:

    The Talmud tells us that the second Temple was destroyed
    through blind, wanton hatred, or sinat chinam. 

    It is difficult to understand how any hatred can ever be chinam,
    which seems to mean “for no reason at all.”

    The Netziv suggests that this wanton hatred refers to
    disliking or even detesting someone because their views are different.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Jewish people have a different set of priorities”
    by Rabbi Binny Freedman, 2022 July 13, www (dot) TheJewishStar (dot) com

    #2581671
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/sinas-chinam

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    Netziv’s introduction to his commentary on Bereishit [HaEmek Davar]
    teaches that sinat chinam is hating someone because
    he belongs to a different group
    or because he has a different point of view.

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    Rabbi Shamshon Wertheimer, was court Jew for Emperor Leopold.

    The Emperor asked him,
    “If Jews are so smart, then why are they so despised and persecuted?”
    Rabbi Shamshon answered, “It is because of sinas chinam”.

    The Emperor then went on a hunting trip, and lost his way
    He was separated from his servants and horse,
    and was wandering in the woods in freezing rain.
    He saw a town and attempted to find shelter,
    but no one would let him in.

    Finally he found a house with a mezuzah and
    the Jewish owner let him stay the night,
    gave him a hot drink and a fur blanket,
    and a place near the fire.

    In the morning the Emperor asked to Jew to find him
    a baal agulah who could take him back to Vienna.
    “I am a baal agulah”, replied the Jew.
    “Take me to Vienna, to the royal palace,
    and I will reward you richly”, the Emperor said.

    When they reached Vienna, the Emperor told the Jew
    he could have whatever he wished,
    but the Jew was not interested.
    “I can give you lands, estates, the right to build mills,
    inns, distilleries, bridges with tolls”,
    but the Jew didn’t respond.

    “There is only one thing I want,” he said,
    “in my town there recently came another baal agulah,
    and his business interferes with my business,
    I find it irritating that there should be another baal agulah in my town.”

    That is Sinat Chinam.

    #2581681
    Happy new year
    Participant

    The mikdash was destroyed because of competing groups fighting each other.

    #2581688
    NOYB
    Participant

    Might have also been the civil wars we were fighting where yidden were literally killing each other lo aleinu

    #2582030
    [email protected]
    Participant

    The fools that say notrusdik’eh nonsense like they are “machmir in ahavs yisroel” by loving minim and tinukos shenishbu that are not maaminim are being kofer in the haluches of ahavas yisroel and other dinim in the Torah about who is called “yisroel” and who it not.

    These fools reject the Torah definitions and instead accept the notzrim who teach “turn the other cheek” as well as who teach that they are only “not a jew” when they are baptized to their god-on-a-stick. L’havdil, the Torah teaches that whenever a yid is mechalel shabbos b’farhesia he is “not a jew”.

    Loving evil people is exactly aligned with hating good people, and only with Torah can we have real ahavas yisroel and uproot sinas chinam.

    #2582479
    doom777
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    Sinas chinam is interpreted too widely today — as any hatred or even disapproval of a fellow jewish group. The correct definition of sinas chinam is hatred that is not approved by Torah. Hating heretics for example is not sinas chinam, since it’s explicitly demanded of us.

    #2582594
    sketchmaster II
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    Hooray for “Gadol Ha-Dofi”: You are right on target in characterizing UJM’s knee-jerk reaction to every act of anti-Semitic terror that happens. Namely. Blaming the Jews. Ourselves. But I have a “Limud Z’chus” on his expressing those horrific & painful opinions. He’s (probably) a newly returning brother (That itself {BT} is a misnomer. But explaining that requires a fairly lengthy dissertation.) who does not have a Yeshiva background. & is not steeped in Jewish History & suffering. That, coupled with good & Holy intentions (כוונות) brings us the results that we see. Further education in the past History of Jewish suffering throughout our years in Golus will only enhance his sensitivity & clarity in sorting out these complicated issues.

    #2582614

    Some jew apparently didn’t yet ask his rebbe to clarify difference between tinokos and kofrim.

    Ask him to learn with you the sugya about r Akiva teaching kaddish to a son of a tax collector

    #2582873
    ??coffee addict
    Participant

    Joe,

    Rav Avigdor Miller said that the frum didnt have sinas chinam it was only in the lower classes according to this יערות דבש it wouldn’t work because who should’ve given mussar if not the frummer

    #2582911
    mmarks12
    Participant

    to Somejewiknnow. I am heavily involved in Kirov Rechokim. According to your view, what I am doing is not only a waste of time but probably an avera. Maybe remember what one of our missions in this world is: to give the non believers a chance at Teshuva. They won’t get that chance if they don’t have the limud. Instead of throwing away 90% of our brothers and sisters, please try to keep an open mind and ask yourself would Hashem really want us to throw away 90% of our population. Reread His 13 middos. I think you will find the answer there.

    #2583105

    mmarks, to understand the magnitude of the problem: one professional gave me an estimate: ou of 6 mln of Jews in US, 2 mln are growing, and 4 are assimilating and disappearing …

    #2583366
    ujm
    Participant

    Happy new year:

    The Gemorah says that another reason Chazal attribute for the reason why the Beis Hamikdash was destroyed, was due to at the time of the Beis Hamikdash the woman dressed non-tzniusdik, causing the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash.

    #2583433
    [email protected]
    Participant

    i wish i could reply, i guess the torah is not wanted here

    #2583621

    are you talking about Shabbos 62? It is not talking about non-tzniusdik dress, but behavior – walking with high neck, enticing steps, etc – all perfectly doable in the frummest dresses. ^This is then generalized to general haughtiness of the society

    Also, gemora there looks down on wife swapping and wives who curse their husbands for not buying them enough jewelry. So, be careful out there!

    #2584323
    nevuah
    Participant

    When God brings judgment it’s generally deserved. That means the crime fits the punishment. In order for the temple to be destroyed it had to have been something very bad. I think op is stretching human behavior and carpamentalizing into a system of personal responsibility that is unrealistic, thus untrue.

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