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I see many posts from people asking about yeshivas/Seminaries/Camps
And almost every reply is how great the places are. Ive rarely heard of any these places so I dont know specifics. So this isnt aimed at anyone.
But if you knew NEGATIVE information about such places would you post it(I mean REAL NEGATIVE information)
is it Lashon harah? Is it putting a stone in front of a blind person if you dont tell this information
I did discuss a PERSONAL experience with girls from a certain seminary (won’t go into specifics). It was declared Lashon Hara and the thread was obliterated.
would you eat ??? is it ????
If the food is bad, of course. You will be doing the kids a huge favor.
Seriously, you have to ask a Rabbi first, because if the camp is not addressing, chas veshalom, a sakana issue, you cannot stand by and let it be.
yes it is lashon hara to post it here.
in private discussions with an individual who needs to know the information, it may be permitted. when it is and isnt needs Halachic guidance.
you dont see the negative, damaging reports, i presume, because the current moderators are watching for this, as i used to.
welcome back 80; we miss you. Even when you post as feivel it doesn’t have the same ooomph
These sha’alos are REALLY complicated, they should NOT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY. A Rav must be contacted before posing such a question, and definitely before answering. He must be notified that it’s getting posted on a blog, open to all. It can be really challenging sha’alos. That’s my humble opinion.
welcome back 80; we miss you. Even when you post as feivel it doesn’t have the same ooomph
Or the same regularity 🙁 – the CR was better off with your constant input.
DY +1
thank you phantom-moderator, and the others.
its hard to tell without seeing deleted posts and the whole picture but it seems to me the current fresh batch of moderator kids are doing a very good job…80
above posted in moderator-bold for old-times sake
Thank you. notice your new subtitle?
zahavasdad: Yes, even if permitted for a one on one, posting on a forum has different guidelines. I’m not a Rabbi, that’s just my humble opinion.
Wouldnt it be fair to hear honest reviews ?
first of all you are in all likelihood hearing honest reviews.
you are just not hearing the other side, if there is one.
i know you are not a big proponent of adhering to Halachah, preferring “common sense”, but posting negative and or damaging information about a Jewish owned business on a public website is LASHON HORAH. lashon harah is ASSUR. it is WRONG and UGLY in the eyes of YOUR Creator.
i wont repeat what i said in my first post, feel free to read it, but there is a very big difference in Halachah between posting a public condemnation of a Jew or Jewish institution, and privately seeking such information for a constructive purpose.
so is there any value in such threads, i certainly think so. look through them. yyou will see descriptions of various types of philosophy, size, frumness, hashkafa, tuition, location, and much other useful information
youre welcome.
i like it
actually i prefer the other one
i was just too embarrassed to admit it
It was just a joke since you posted that you were blocked.
If mods won’t post negative comments then why should the threads exist in the first place? We might unfairly promote a place that there actually are legitimate Ta’anos against.
Well, as 80 pointed out, we assume everyone is posting honest opinions. So you aren’t getting anything false- just getting only part of the picture. I hope that everyone realizes that, and speaks to people personally instead of just relying on the CR.
i knew it was a joke, in typical moderator warped humor, exactly what i would have done, a good joke at that.
i was just afraid it might get stuck there. thanks for changing it back…80
I’m surprised there is filtering of the negative opinions because I always cringed at the negative comments about Jewish novels and sometimes, named authors. I don’t agree with the opinions and worried about the issurim involved in those posts.
Sakana (lack of proper supervision, etc.) or halachic issue (i.e, kashrus) – absolutely no hesitation.
Clique-y kids? – probably not.
lack of facilities or good programming – maybe.
Zahavasdad-sure, the book, but why the publishing house? I think your opinion on a book is one thing. People here make comments, and discussions about there being no good authors or novels. That, to me is more problematic halachically, but also unfair as not everyone agrees.
2 days ago we called our Rav with this exact shaila. We knew a neighbor was considering a certain institution for their child and also knew that this child would not mesh with the mechanchim there. (Yes, I am being very vague, intentionally). What is relevant is, were we permitted to tell the neighbor about certain traits of certain faculty members and how it would be a negative experience on their particular child. Our Rav told us that he would review the relevant halachos and speak with his Rebbe prior to answering us. We have our answer, and all I can say is, unless you are an expert in the appropriate halachos, keep your mouth shut. If you truly believe you must say something, find out what you may say, to whom you may say it and how you may say it.
There is one more point here. And that is, information stated here is OPEN for posterity, FOR EVERYONE to read, not only parties involved. That puts the Sha’alo into in entire perspective. So both sides of the coin HAVE TO BE EXAMINED. At times on IS MECHUYAV to act, other times one is forbidden. How to go about it is also an issue. A competent Rav, knowlegable in these Halachos, should be sought.
And OOMIS, I wouldn’t rush without the advise of a Rav. Stakes are high. On one hand were dealing with the possible danger, the health and well-being of one person. On the other it’s one’s entire livelihood – reputation on the line. Information must be sorted out from rumors, hearsay. First hand or second. Notify directly or in the open blog. These are indeed weighty issues. For a competent Rav.
zahavasdad: “Very few things in life are 100% good and 0% bad . its much more nuanced”
now that I very much agree with. There’s some bad in every good and some good in every bad.
It’s also very relative – what’s good for me may be bad for you [yeshiva, camp or other]. But I don’t know you and you don’t know me, so my info can’t really help you much.
And OOMIS, I wouldn’t rush without the advise of a Rav. Stakes are high. On one hand were dealing with the possible danger, the health and well-being of one person. On the other it’s one’s entire livelihood – reputation on the line. “
Maybe I misunderstand. Clearly, I would have to know for a fact from personal knowledge that there was a sakana. I would never talk about a rumored issue. But if I knew the school did not supervise its students in E”Y, which may or may not have resulted in a sakana to someone, I would definitely not run to ask shailos. Not everything in life has to be run past a rov. If there is a sakana on Shabbos, must I ask a shailah before calling hatzolah?
I would say you should ask a shailah when to ask!
But again things have to be permissible. Are you allowed to steal from one to save another? It’s not me, and I didn’t make the rules. Also, I’m NOT a Rav. So I really can’t write an answer. That’s just how it appears to me.
Let’s say, for instance, your case of a school. Are you notifying direct, or posting it here openly? Maybe one is forbidden from causing so much harm to a party involved? What defines ‘does not supervise’? These are real valid questions a Torah Observing Jew would certainly want clarified.
I respectfully disagree with your position Zeeskite. Halachic issues demand a shailah. Sakanas nefashos demand instant action. That IS the halacha. You would not ask a shailah of a Rov if someone seemed to be having a heart attack on Shabbos and you thought you needed to call hatzolah, would you? Even if it turned out to be indigenstion from too much cholent, you don’t wait to ask shailos. You call.
This is a very strange discussion. I cannot think of any situation where someone was considering sending their kid to a school or camp where there would be sakanas nefashos and it would require instant action, such that you wouldn’t have time to call a rav.
Are we really discussing molesting again, and whether you should ask a rav before going to the police? And the issue isn’t instant action but whether you trust the rav?
addressing the OP:
you posted this at a interesting time. i had just posted about my sem and HS, both in a kinda bad light. but in reality, both are excellent places of education and i have only nice things to say about them. but my personal opinion is they are lacking in one certain area. but thats what it is-an opinion, and a minority one at that. stating an opinion is very different than saying yeshiva x is bad because…. am i correct in that reasoning? can an opinion be considered L”H-like if i say i prefer place A over place B but not give a reason why?
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