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You are pareve, what will you be eating these latkes with? 🙂
Sour cream and apple sauce. If I want meat after, I’d wash out my mouth, eat some crackers, make the bracha acharona, and fress.
A fork.
Herring or jam or apple sauce.
A fork
I wasnt and I wont be for another couple o’ days
applesauce!!
a steak
My niece likes hers with ketchup and I have to admit it is quite yummy!!!
Apple sauce or sour cream Or even better, a little of both.
There are numerous Issurim related to eating foods (especially the size of the Avg Latke) with your hands.
A Ben Torah should always eat with utensils as it is more Mechubedike than eating with ones barehands.
my wife and kids.
(‘snort’ to all you cornheads, no, i am not a cannibal)
Herring with Latkes???
I think Ill pass on that one
There are numerous Issurim related to eating foods (especially the size of the Avg Latke) with your hands.
Numerous Issurim?
Please list some of them off for us.
In addition, there are plenty of foods the size of a latke or larger where it is perfectly all right to eat them with one’s hands (although, I’ll admit, a latke itself is not one of them).
A Ben Torah should always eat with utensils as it is more Mechubedike than eating with ones barehands.
Always???? Should a Ben Torah eat a bagel with a fork and knife? How about a matzah?
The Wolf
In Siman ?? it says that it is not Derech Eretz to bite into something bigger than a k’beitzah.
with a burger and fries
+1 Sof Davar
Latkes are too greasy to handle-use a fork.
Ketchup, applesauce, those are the usual pareve choices. But you didn’t say if we’re having to stay pareve, so this is a real brain teaser!
🙂
I sure hope the frozen ones go on sale soon!
my mouth.
There are numerous Issurim related to eating foods (especially the size of the Avg Latke) with your hands.
You know what? I just had a nice sandwich, without giving a second thought to your “numerous issurim.” I also had potato chips without using a fork and knife too. Yeah, I’m just a lawbreakin’ type-a-guy.
The Wolf
In Siman ?? it says that it is not Derech Eretz to bite into something bigger than a k’beitzah.
A. Not derech eretz <> “numerous issurim” (and yes, I realize that you are not the one who said it involved “numerous issurim.”)
B. That may not apply to foods that are normally eaten in that manner (such as a bagel, for example).
C. It may also be something that is dependent on the style and custom of the culture. For example, I always tell my kids to cut their meat small enough to eat it in one bite (which fits in quite nicely with the S”A on the matter). However, I would never tell them to cut a candy bar with a knife in that manner, since the normal way of eating one in our society is to bite it off the end.
The Wolf
Mishna Berurah- acc. to Beis Yosef not derech eretz to bite into something bigger than a k’beitza
Piskei T’shuvos- some say that if a food is eaten that way it is muttar. Some say still it is proper to be machmir.
Maharsha- it is proper to always eat with utensils
Latkes are eaten either with sour cream (my preference) or applesauce. Anything else is “k’lo derech hateva” (or hataiveh, either) 😉
Mishna Berurah- acc. to Beis Yosef not derech eretz to bite into something bigger than a k’beitza
Again, not derech eretz doesn’t mean that it’s an issur. And furthermore, whether or not something is considered derech eretz can depend heavily on cultural norms.
Maharsha- it is proper to always eat with utensils
Did the Maharsha eat his matzah with utensils? And, even if he did, is it possible that that was the cultural norm in the place and time where he lived? It is possible that there were few, if any, foods in his time where it would have been considered acceptable to do so but perhaps, in our time, such foods exist?
Or do you really think the Maharsha would say that one should cut up his black and white cookie and his Snickers bar with a fork and knife?
The Wolf
I once made latkes fried in goose fat and schmaltz, and ate them with a homemade berry-citrus sauce and Tofutti sour cream mixed with shopped garlic and parsley. They were to die for.
rebdoniel- glad u didnt
Other ideas for gourmet latkes:
Latkes topped with Russian or 1000 Island Dressing, Sauerkraut, and Melted Swiss Cheese
Latkes topped with sour cream, chives, caviar, and smoked salmon
Fleishig latkes fried in schmaltz, topped with braised shredded beef cheeks in red wine and mirepoix
rebdoniel – Caviar?! As far as I’m aware caviar is made from the roe of sturgeon, and therefore not kosher. Unless there is some other kind of caviar that I am unaware of…
Caviar is just a generic term for fish roe. If a kind of fish is kosher, its caviar is kosher, as well.
Sturgeon happens to be a nonkosher fish we eat caviar from. (Although sturgeon is/was considered kosher by some, similar to the case of swordfish).
There is plenty of kosher caviar, which comes from species like salmon, whitefish, etc.
In fact, one can even buy Kronos-brand Taramosalata, a Greek caviar dip, under Kof K.
When I make these latkes, I purchase Kosher Black Whitefish Caviar with an OU from Marky’s. It is about $62 for a pound.
And, because latkes fried in goose fat and schmaltz are so unhealthy, I do limit them to Chanukah. I buy rendered goose fat from Aaron’s Gourmet in Queens, at $17 a pound, which makes this method of preparation far from economical, so it is a rare treat.
Originally, latkes were prepared in goose fat in the medieval days, and they were eaten with chrein.
I find the idea of compote with goose latkes to be better, though, since when people traditionally roasted goose, they would serve it with something fruity. Roast goose with a fruit compote is heavenly.
Ketchup
uh….booze?
rebdoniel – I didn’t know that. I was always under the impression that caviar was specifically sturgeon roe. Thanks for the information.
Ii never had ketchup on a latke, but Ii do like ketchup on hash browns.
RD is there any aspect of yiddishkeit you are not an expert on?
I made a typo. I personally wouldn’t eat sturgeon or swordfish, including their roe. If you read that sentence in its entirety and the logical structure, you’d see that I meant to write we don’t eat sturgeon caviar BUT:
The Noda biYehuda pasqened that sturgeon was kosher (Mahadura Tinyana YD #28), even though they tried censoring this.
And the Kenesset haGedolah pasqened that swordfish was kosher, and Rav Hershel Schachter has eaten it.
So if you say that sturgeon is treif, you’re defaming the Noda Bi Yehuda.
rebdoniel – never had ketchup on a latke?! I didn’t know there was any other way! It’s a great combo.
There are items that many wont eat like Chalav Stam, but any Rov will not tell you they are Treif. There is no Averiah for eating Haagan Daze other than it being extremely fattening.
Very few Ravs will say its ok to eat Sturgen even if there are a few opionions that say its kosher
I could be wrong but I would think that it’s Assur to deliberately act w/o Derech Eretz.
There is a reason Chazal made these Takanos, it is not becoming of a person to have his hands full of oil and dirt like some sort of animal.
R’ Shachter says it’s ok to eat swordfish. If something is mutar, it’s mutar. If it’s assur, it’s assur.
And, I will try ketchup on a latke this year. If ketchup is good on the frozen hash brown patties I buy during the year for Sunday breakfast, than it should be good on a latke, too.
Crikey! When did I become pareve?? You can have the latkes – please pass the Haagan Dazs.
A la bagel: lox, capers and onion. Not really sure about cream cheese on a latke.
Rebdoniel: Latkes topped with Russian or 1000 Island Dressing, Sauerkraut, and Melted Swiss Cheese. OH…methinks I need to try this.
I could be wrong but I would think that it’s Assur to deliberately act w/o Derech Eretz.
That’s a far cry from the “numerous issurim” you claimed. Do you know of numerous issurim, or were you just exaggerating for sake of… whatever?
There is a reason Chazal made these Takanos, it is not becoming of a person to have his hands full of oil and dirt like some sort of animal.
So now you’re backtracking from foods of a certain size to oily foods. Again, I ask you, should one eat matzah or a bagel with a fork and knife? What about a Snickers bar (or any other large candy bar?) What about ice cream from a cone?
The Wolf
It is SOO good. Reuben-style latkes (the goyim put sauerkraut, swiss, and Russian with corned beef).
Another idea I had was to use latkes for fondue.
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