Update On Kashrus Story In Monsey [UPDATED 10:00PM]

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The following update was sent to hundreds of people in Monsey tonight, and YWN has confirmed with HaRav Chaim Schabes of its authenticity:

“Rav Schabes was approached by a local non for profit group that is dedicated to help improve the standards of Kashrus and conducts oversight on many local Hechsherim. He was informed that the Hechsher of Rabbi Steinmetz recently agreed to cooperate with them and allow their oversight. We are confident that the issues which may exist, actual and potential, are being dealt with and will אי”ה continue to improve to the desired standards – if they remain compliant.

Should anything change we will update you accordingly.”

EARLIER STORY FROM TUESDAY FOLLOWS:

YWN has learned that as a result of a meeting of local Monsey Rabanim, signatures are in the midst of being collected to discredit a popular Hechsher in Monsey.

The community Rabanim have been told of multiple incidents of eye-opening breaches and outright incompetence with this Hechsher. The supervising Dayan of this Hashgacha has been informed of these issues and has done nothing to correct them.

After lengthy discussions, the Rabanim felt that they are left with no choice but to inform their Kehilos of these developments.

The letter they are currently drafting advises them to refrain from patronizing the pizza shops, restaurants and all stores under his supervision – or lack thereof, until they pursue a reliable, trustworthy Hechsher.

Based on our sources, the list already consists of respected, well-known leading Rabanim. Other signatures are still being collected.

YWN will be publishing the letter as soon as it is submitted.

UPDATE 10:30PM: The Kossoner Rebbe of Forshay, HaRav Chaim Rottenberg Shlita, just sent the following message out to his entire Shul:

(YWN World Headquarters – NYC)




53 COMMENTS

  1. A news item without names and places is not news. It’s useless information !! How can I make sure I don’t patronize his “hechsherim” if I don’t know who this is !!

  2. I was the one that caught Finkel selling Treif 8 years before. The Rabbonim did n ot want to hear the evidence.
    This Rav Hamachshil is the same, the Rabbonim don’t want to hear.
    They have a big problem in Monsey with the Shatnez checker as well.

  3. I wanted to write a kashrus column in the community connection, I wrote to them twice.
    THEY HAVE NO INTERES.

    Monsey people don’t care?

    I’m afraid to answer.

  4. What is the point of this article? Baruch Hashem you do not mention the name of any particular organization, which is a good thing, since nothing is proven yet. However this may get people talking and speculating about what organization you may be referring to – potentially causing lots of lashon hara or motzi shem ra.
    Really now, don’t you have better topics to share?

  5. If there is such strong evidence, why not identify the hashgacha NOW so those who are machmir on matters of kashruth don’t continue to potentially eat treifus until the letter is issued. If not, just keep quiet about it. Otherwise, its like these “well known and respected” Monsey rabbonim, again unidentified, are telling the tzibur that “we know that some of you may be eating food from sources without a proper hashgacha but we are not ready to tell you yet the name of that hashgacha.

  6. i am sure the rabbonim who are going after this hechsher have no conflict of interest. brilliant lets put stores out of business during the corona virus. that’s permissible. leaving the yeshivos open and getting people sick and worse during the corona virus thats okay such tzadikim. do you think they will go after Medicaid fraud next. what a bunch of phonies

  7. it has nothing with Kashrus,its about a Eruv Fundraising disagreement, between the Eruv that is Under Rabbi Steinmetz and the one Under Rabbi Rottenberg and rabbi Shabes, A warning was sent to one side that if they interfere with there Campaign they will come out against there Rav hamachshir Rabbi Steinmetz, and they did send a Hazmuneh to Beis Din to this side,and thats when they started with there campaign to smear Rabbi Steinmetz,
    As you could notice in the paper of Rabbi Rottenberg, Its a warning Notice that until Further notice he is not letting Rabbi Steinmetz Hechsher In his Shul, he has no problem with rabbi steinmetz Kashrus its just a way of giving a threat to the other side

  8. Arib where r u commenting from..the beach with your art scroll Gemara? you eat anywhere that it says kosher with no concern for your Nechama I guarantee you there are rabbinic tzaddikim on that list that have nothing to do with the kashrut business banning this hechsher

  9. I have a friend who owns a restaurant with this hechsher and he was complaining on how strict he is… I was told this is strictly political…. everyone do you own research…..

  10. There is a fine line between protecting public health, protecting against purchasing treifus etc. versus premature disclosure of allegations or rumor that can result in substantial harm and economic losses to the “accused” and also might be considered borderline lashon horah. My preference is to remain silent until you have the facts confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt or some standard of certainty. These muddled messages are really not very helpful but I’ll rely on YWN and its editorial advisors to make those determinations.

  11. As always YWN loves to be Marbe Machlokes.
    And thanks for the sattan they got fresh new stuff.
    Being a monsey resident and living in the neighborhood were all this go’s on i can clearly say that this a personal fight between rabbi Rothenberg and rabbi Steinmetz on who is in charge of the eirev in that area.
    Nothing more…….

  12. Can anyone comment on what I heard is behind this? This is apparently connected to the Monsey Eiruv and Rabbi Steimetz having issues with the Eiruv. Rabbonim associated with the Eiruv told him that if he doesn’t stop it, he put his complaints in writing, they will attack or ruin his Hashgocha.

  13. Yudel (Shain)
    The Community Connections Has a Kashrus column, just not yours. The Rabbonim are on to you. For decades you have been a rabble-rouser and will smear anyone who does not pay you,

  14. Shame on YWN for badmouthing well esteemed rabanim with lies and falsehoods.
    This is the straw that broke the camals back I’m done with YWN I’ll rather read the NYT.

  15. This is nothing short of being Mevaza a special Yid and major Talmud Chacham. R’ Yechiel is known for a no-nonsence approach to kashrus and has turned down big offers where he felt that the kashrus wasn’t up to his standards. It appears that this is all dirty politics and shame on those who are spreading these false and terrible rumors.

  16. Tell “one” that ever paid Yudel Shain.
    Yudel was “always on target” for the past 40 + years.
    It just takes all others many more years to realize that Yudel figured them out earlier.
    After 120 (if you believe) you will not be able to shrug your shoulder after eating all of the treif, Yudel warned you and was never wrong.

  17. Regardless of the background of the story, If all the main stream Rabbonim in Monsey are saying something together, it is pretty clear who is in the right and who is in the wrong.

  18. The Rambam says the fact that everyone says something does not give any credibility that it’s correct,
    and the fact that one disagrees with everyone else does mean that he’s wrong.

  19. Jewish fellow, what are you talking about. I saw the name of one disgruntled (Rabbi). Who are the main stream Rabbonim you are referring to??

  20. I didn’t say that because everyone is saying something its right. I wrote that when the accepted Rabbonim are saying something, it means it’s right. That’s a fact. It is something called Emunas Chachomim.

  21. For those who believe everything written in the news I can tell you it’s Fake News
    as an insider I can tell that it’s just an old politic between those 2 rabbonim not the time now for details
    all the other sauces is false
    there was no signatures collected & no scandal
    here we go again YWN is known for it’s best spreading Fake News Lushon Hora & love for machlokes

  22. YWN,
    Please ensure this story or type of story NEVER comes on your website; it should be permanently removed. I have found out the real story and it is not a problem with Rabbi Steinman. I don’t want to say Loshen HaRa so I will not say more than, PLEASE only state the facts with actual letters rather rumors after carefully confirming them especially when you are dealing with Talmud HaChamim.

  23. 1- I never got paid off from anyone including Alle Nirbarter.
    2- There are many issues of lack of Yahdus in Monsey.
    3- His Hashgocha is “Effes”.
    4- Forshay, et al is loaded with issues including back stabbing, mesirah, etc.
    5- There will be a two state solution with the Eiruvs.
    6- He’ll keep on giving worthless hashgochas, The people will keep on fressing.
    7- Therefore, It’s full of “tuna-bagels”.

  24. Netzach was doing a Finkel job-big time.
    In Monsey area, one must rely strictly on the owner/management of the food service establishment NOT ON THE HASHGOCHA per se, kapisch?.

  25. Rabbi Rottenberg I would be careful who you don’t allow in to your shul such שנאה brought the African American with the machete into your shul last time

    Be lover of jews

  26. As per my conversation with Rabbi Steinmetz he was not approached by any Ruv Organization for any Kashrus Issue, he was threatened that if he is not stopping to Interfere in his Campaign we will go out after your Hechsher,YWN seems like its a paid blackmailer.
    there was no contact to rabbi Steinmetz by any hechsher what so ever this is all False.

  27. As per my conversation with Rabbi Steinmetz he was not approached by any Ruv Organization for any Kashrus Issue, he was threatened that if he is not stopping to Interfere in his Campaign we will go out after your Hechsher,YWN seems like its a paid blackmailer.

  28. Everyone in monsey knows R’ Steimemtz hashgacha is the strictest most machmir hashgacha. If there’s a disagreement where R’ steimetz doesn’t agree with the eiruv – Does that mean I need to worry about the eiruv not being good? YWN please post news not unverified rumors that leave more questions than Answers

  29. YEHUDA SHIN ALWAYS WAS LOOKING FOR PROBLEM TO CREATE BUT Y WHEN YOU WAS MASHGIACH FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO AT SABRA SALAD AND THAT TIME THE OWNER WAS A MCHALEL SHABOS WAS ALL OK?????

  30. The real story is much less LeShema and therefore people should NOT believe this Motzei Shem Rah. The root is a argument over money not kashrus.

    YWN, shame on you for even allowing this to be posted without verification and complete and proper statement of the fact.

    Yom Kippur is coming soon.

  31. At Sabra salads it was more reliable when the michalel shabbos was a partner.
    Now with only the Shomer Shabbos owner, I would not touch Sabra Salads, as I am very familiar with the kashrus standards there.
    It’s no secret that the Monsey Rav Hamachshir involved with the Eiruv can not be relied upon in numerous kashrus issues, e.g. infestation, bishul akum, bossur she’nisalem, etc.

  32. Every knowledgeable experienced kashrus expert knows that all of the serious kashrus issues happen by the Frum owners, not the michalel shabbos, not the non-Jew, etc.
    To name a few; Finkel/Shevach, Doheny, Manchester, Liverpool, Flatbush, Boro park, Queens, Passaic, etc.

  33. FOR ALL THOSE INTERESTED, THE FOLLOWING IS A QUOTE FROM A LETTER THAT RABBI SCHABES SENT TO HIS KEHILAH:

    “I am aware that this week was a very unrestful one with regards to Kashrus issues. After spending many hours speaking to people and organizations, it became clear to me that the suspicions are not founded, and one can rely
    on whichever Kashrus Certifications were possibly in question.”

  34. As a baal teshuva, there are so many reasons to find our religion and these responses odd. The suggestion here is that the reliability of this hechsher depends upon the rabbi’s authority, and that in turn can depend upon too many soft factors which can go offside based on mere rumours. It sounds like there is an oversight body that can ask this hechsher whether they are implementing some concrete and measurable standards – which we hear of the OU following for example. If the answer is no, that oversight body can share their concrete findings with the public. If the hechsher refuses to answer their questions, they can share that as well with the public. There would then be no discussion about a rabbi’s overall reliability, except for people who only eat out of their homes on an exceptions basis.

  35. So we returned to the Signature Collecting Judaism. If you suspect that there’s an issue with a hechsher there’s a Jewish way of dealing with it. And the fact that the two Rabbis behind it have the biggest conflict of interest with Rav Steinmentz makes this whole thing a joke.

  36. yudel: To name a few; Finkel/Shevach, Doheny, Manchester, Liverpool, Flatbush, Boro park, Queens, Passaic, etc.

    Liar. The Manchester and Liverpool incident was with an owner who was NOT observant in any way. And of course “Flatbush, Boro park, Queens, Passaic, etc.” are not incidents at all, just place names, so nobody can pin you down on what incidents, real or imagined, you’re referring to.

  37. YWN learned from the liberal media how to cover a story:

    The community Rabanim have been told of multiple incidents of eye-opening breaches and outright incompetence with this Hechsher. The supervising Dayan of this Hashgacha has been informed of these issues and has done nothing to correct them.

    Based on our sources, the list already consists of respected, well-known leading Rabanim. Other signatures are still being collected.

    Changing the story without any facts

  38. Yudel, you are talking through your hat and misleading the readers. I don’t know about the American names you mentioned but you mentioned Manchester, Liverpool as problems with frum owners. 1) The Manchester and Liverpool case was 1 case of 1 owner of shops in both towns. 2) The owner was married to a non-Jewish women and was a mechallel shabbos. It wasn’t a butcher shop but a deli who also sold meat.

  39. To yudal
    #1 according to halucha a mchallel Shabbos don’t have נאמנות
    #2 I personally visited at Debra at that time in long island city the whole system was not in a good מצב
    #3 in fact they always made delivery to chain foods like shop rite etc on 2nd days Yom tov claiming they r isrealis