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Although many prominent members of my community discourage drinking on Shabbos, Its really just an outlet after learning for 60 hours a week. Better drink on Friday night then smoke pot 4 times a week. In fact I encourage my sons to drink responsibly by buying them beer every time they are home for Shabbos.
I think pot is a healthier outlet then coke, personally. Should this topic be closed?
I encourage my daughters to be good husbands, by taking their allowance and buying beer for myself.
Kibud av va’eim is the name of the game.
I really don’t want to argue this. So I will just state that alcohol is a lot more dangerous than pot. Just google it.
And, one can prove how terrible alcohol is. Observe how you post when on it. Or maybe that proves how funny it is.
Use of alcohol as an “outlet” is a goyishe concept. There is no Torah reference that excuses alcohol use as an escape. Even more, alcohol has specific references in Torah for the holiness of its use, making it a requirement for various rituals. But the purely gashmiyusdige imbibing is frowned upon, and kal vachomer the intoxication from it. I challenge any of the readers and commenters here to find a Torah reference that allows for use of alcohol as an outlet or escape.
actually torah613 was making a different point
TLIK: The Torah encourages if not mandates alchohol as an outlet on Purim.
To: The Little I know little, If you learned any relavent sugya about Purim which will begin in a week you will learn how the destruction intended for the jews was purely physical, which is why the celebration is very physical. Included in this is the obligation on us to become intoxicated which is an act that ,while you might not refer to it as an “escape” or an “outlet” the bottom line is that chazal made this an obligation to bring us to a point of simcha which we cannot possibly reach or express while remaining sober. Would you consider this obligation of drinking on purim purely gashmiyusdige? Is drinking on Purim not allowing us to “escape” from everyday stesses and be able to celebrate in complete joy? I am not trying to suggest that the mitzva of becoming drunk is purely gashmiyusdige ,but one should not either make it sound as if drinking alchohol was intended completely for its holiness.
I tried using alcohol as an outlet, but my phone didn’t charge.
Rav Abba Bar Mammal, I think I need to call you Rebbe from now on, you have taught me something new.
Enjoy the drinking then.
Torah613 – Assuming you don’t smoke the post on Shabbos,how do you use it on Shabbos, put in the cholunt? I doubt that pot will ever replace single malt at the Shabbos table.
The OP writes “Better drink on Friday night then smoke pot 4 times a week.” This is a perfect example of why spelling matters. I suspect he meant “than.”
How do frum people deny evolution with an amora named R’ Abba bar Mammal?
yaakov doe: I don’t check the post on Shabbos, I personally cook my cholent in the pot.
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Do you think its appropriate to have user names here that are the titles of non Jewish radio songs. (Gangnam style).
Doesn’t bother me.
yitayning
Humans are mammals.
Gangnam
Anyone who will say or do anything assur while.drunk may not get drunk. In this generation this applies to almost anyone who isn’t heavily involved in limud Torah and learns mussar. I have seen and heard people who I thought were fine people use vulagities and expletives on Purim while drunk (and not even that drunk…). Most people who get drunk don’t Daven Maariv and forget to Bentch at the Purim seudah.
GS:
I will only repeat my challenge. Drinking on Purim has nothing to do with escape or outlet. The expectation is that we will be brought to a greater level of simcha, not the shikrus of Lot. The poskim have spoken about this emphatically. I marvel at the trend to seek greater and more intricate chumros in everything, be it shiurim, or other dikdukei mitzvos, trying to accommodate other shitos for almost anything. But the vast array of poskim who are clear about sleeping on Purim (like the obscure posek known as the Mishnah Berurah) gets completely ignored. What is obvious is that this “drink to get drunk” mentality is truly based on the use of Purim as a heter to get drunk – something actually desired all year round. That, my friends, is 100% gashmiyus, unrelated to Torah, not connected whatsoever with the mitzvos of Purim, and actually frowned upon by the greatest of poskim of all generations. Just engage in a real cheshbon hanefesh, where the true motivators are revealed. It ain’t good. That’s the outlet mentality, and that is not related in any way to the mitzvah of ad delo yoda.
I have some leftover Quaaludes from the 1980s – anyone want some? It’s a great outlet.
TLIK
+1!
torah613-
didnt u use to have two 613’s in ur name??? is that how ur subtitle came to be??
@Tlik you are entitled to your opinion but you are doing the same thing you claim your opponents are doing – which is namely picking and choosing which shitos you want to follow. Granted I am sure there are poskim who hold like you. I am sure you are well aware that there are many roshei yeshivos who disagree with you. Follow whomever your rebbe or posek is. Deciding which way is right or wrong based on your own imperfect knowledge of halacha is never a good idea (and is more than likely to based on a moral system that is not jewish). One of my rabbeim once explained when asked how could we are allowed to get drunk on purim when it is a chilul hashem. His answer was that being mkayam a mitzva is never a chilul hashem – just because other people think it is weird doesnt make it a chilul. He said that in fact it is the opposite it is a kiddush hashem. He cited examples from bris milah and para aduma (this was years before the recent controversy)
and every other day of the week.
Chevron: If that’s all that drinking on Purim is to you then you miss the point and shouldn’t be drinking. Purim isn’t Carnival.
I have see too many Bochrim get drunk on Purim (and once I saw a bunch of them “rolling ciggarettes”) It is not a kiddush hashem how they behave
as someone who got drunk on purim, you cant have real simchas purim without drinking.
Would you have real simcha on Purim if you drank a bottle of Tequila or if someone gave you $5,000?
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