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My theory is that they mean the same thing, but often times people will say yeshivish because of the negative implications of the word chareidi given by the media.
If you want to be a chareidi, good for you, but please don’t try to mask it by pretending to be something else. Be proud of it!
My theory is that you hate Hashem, and as a corollary to that also hate anyone who serves Him.
“Chareidi” is a term made up by the sonei torah to make fun of us. Your question is as if you go tell african americans that they should proudly refer to themselves by the n word.
In any event, your history is all wrong. Nobody used to call americans chareidim at all, until a few years ago when people realized there were jews in america they could hate right here*! I’ve been adopting it for myself since then.
*like the crusaders
Some yeshivish types are modern orthodox. Some hasidim are definitely zionists. Sefardim are all over the board in terms of the issues that define “hareidi.”
Hareidim can be hasidische, yeshivish, or Sefardi. What defines hareidi isn’t agreed on, but it clearly isn’t clothing,nusach, style of davening or parnassah. It probably includes non-recognition of the Israeli government (following the views of the original Satmar Rebbe, and rejecting the views of people such as Herzl, R. Kook, or the state rabbinate of Israel), or at least holding that the Israeli government has no halachic legitimacy (though it might be afforded the same respect under halacha as was afforded the British and Ottoman Empires).
While there are correlations with clothing, style of davening, and strictness or creativity in interpreting halacha — these are correlations rather than defining characterisitics (i.e. if someone is wearing some form of frock coat rather than a short suit, the person is more likely to be hareidi than “modern” in terms of haskafa, but not inevitably so– you have many hareidim wearing modern clothes and some religious zionists wearing the sorts of long suits that have been unpopular for the last 90 year, since King George stopped wearing them). Parnassah isn’t a good way to define since there are hareidim who earns lots of money working with or selling things to goyim, and many religious zionists who learn Torah all day.
How is “Chareidi” a negative word? It certainly beats “ultra-orthodox” or “feverently orthodox” or “fundamentalist” (which is highly insulting, since by definition a fundamentalist rejects anything other than “bible” meaning they reject Torah she be’al peh).
People who hate Torah and hate Ha-Shem will obviously hate hareidim, just as people who hate the New York Yankees hate Jeter and Ellsbury – hareidim are the all stars of the Torah team.
I think Charedim came up with that term Charedim. not Sonei Torah. Sonei Torah use the term Ultra-Orthodox
Charedim is more inclusive than Yesivish as it includes Chassidim as well
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