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  • #596054

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I realized, that my friends all know I lie, but some of you might not.

    So, here is my ?????: Everything I say on this site may not be true. Except my halacha stuff, I take that seriously.

    #1105296

    pumper
    Member

    thanks for the disclaimer- we didn’t realize 😉

    #1105297

    zaidy78
    Member

    Popa, is your statement a lie, meaning, in reality you never say a lie and always the truth?

    #1105298

    deiyezooger
    Member

    ahah, that’s nice, thanks for bringing that point out to us,we will be more careful from now on……

    #1105299

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    So you mean there are still chain saws?

    #1105300

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    So you mean there are still chain saws?

    I meant more along the lines of that I know nothing about ambidextrous people.

    #1105301

    hanib
    Participant

    wait, is the above statement a lie or the truth?

    #1105302

    hanib
    Participant

    realized, that my friends all know I lie, but some of you might not.

    So, here is my ?????: Everything I say on this site may not be true.

    is that the truth or a lie?

    #1105303

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    wait, is the above statement a lie or the truth?

    Sorry, the tautology does not work here, since I didn’t say I always lie.

    Therefore, if I am lying here, it actually is self fulfilling. So either way it is true.

    #1105304

    tro11
    Member

    Oh yeah, and also they get binah yeseira!

    #1105305

    hanib
    Participant

    🙂

    #1105306

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    Two things come to mind:

    1) it’s still Adar

    2) is it April 1 yet where you live?

    #1105308

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    pba,

    Are your hashkofos, even if exaggerated, basically real, or totally made up?

    An example which comes to mind is that the lady whose daughter’s seat was stolen should have thrown the alteh bubby, who stole the seat, down the steps. Obviously this was exaggerated, but did you really feel that she should not have been accommodating despite the bubby’s rudeness? (If you don’t mind, please answer this one seriously.)

    #1105309

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    DY: My hashkafos are serious also.

    I think most people would have given in in that case.

    I am actually unsure if it is the right thing to do. It probably depends why you are giving in. If it is because you aren’t able to stand up for yourself, then I would actually advise not giving in.

    As far as the old lady, I am convinced she is a horrible bully.

    (But no, I would not throw her down the stairs. I can exaggerate sometimes.)

    #1105310

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    As far as the old lady, I am convinced she is a horrible bully.

    I’m actually not convinced of anything, because we only hear one side of the story in these cases. But given the story as presented, yes, she sounds like a horrible bully, and yes, one should have the fortitude to stand up to that, but if it were my wife and daughter, (or me in an equivalent situation,) I would hope for the sake of middos and chinuch we would give in, despite not being intimidated.

    Thanks for your response.

    #1105311

    Shticky Guy
    Participant

    Poppa is your statement a lie

    This reminds me of what I heard re what ??? ???? said in ????? (or !??????)

    ??? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???

    “I say in my haste that all men are liars”.

    Someone said that if all men are liars then that he is including himself, and if so the statement could be untrue. But if its untrue then he’s not a liar so he said the truth. But if he said the truth then its true that all men are liars in which case his statement would be untrue… Etc etc etc.

    #1105312

    Good to know.

    in full disclosure: I occasionally stretch facts so as to make myself less recognizable.

    #1105313

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    But if he said the truth then its true that all men are liars in which case his statement would be untrue… Etc etc etc.

    That’s not logically correct. A liar is not necessarily someone’s whose every statement is untrue. If it were that way, you’d be right. However, a liar could be someone who sometimes lies and sometimes tells the truth.

    #1105314

    Midwest2
    Member

    This begins to sound like something from my freshman logic class of the Cretan saying “All Cretans are liars.”

    PBA, are you running some kind of experiment?

    #1105316

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Daas,

    it would make sense if it was a habitual liar

    #1105317

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    mbachur,

    Yes, but who says it has to mean that?

    #1105318

    hanib
    Participant

    more complicated is the fact:

    a) i think that whatever i think is true

    b) i also think that not everything i think is true, is in fact true

    And that is the truth. 🙂

    #1105319

    Popa- Did you know that your screen name next to your post, it is a link to this thread?

    #1105320

    onegoal, I pointed that out too here:

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/joseph-1#post-321849

    I posted that before I saw your post here.

    It’s hysterical that the mods did that!

    #1105321

    CB- It sure is, chocandpatience has a link in her name to the second page of decaffeinated coffee.

    #1105322

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Popa- Did you know that your screen name next to your post, it is a link to this thread?

    Actually I didn’t. That is hilarious. I must have missed it when Charlie brown pointed it out also.

    #1105323

    Wisey
    Participant

    Kol Haodom Kozev

    The rule is that

    ??? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??

    basically ‘all’ doesn’t mean ‘all’

    Anyways we know that dovid hamelech wasn’t a liar.

    Also, ??? refers to the lower level of civilization related to ????.

    #1105324

    Onegoal, it just happened to me too!!!

    Just wondering what happens when you guys click on my name?

    #1105325

    ZABACHUR
    Participant

    It brings you to….wait for it….your profile

    #1105327

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    If all liars lied consistently, we would tag them and reverse whatever they say.

    #1105328

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    That’s why popa says he sometimes lies – to throw us off. I think I know when he’s lying, but I guess I’ll never know for sure.

    For example, I think he’s a man, and if he’s married, it’s to only one wife.

    #1105329

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Popa, I believe, is a retired poltergeist with two and a half wives, the half being a woman without a tongue.

    #1105330

    Shopping613
    Participant

    Everyone knows Popa lies….seriouy, who dosent make up funny stories here????? Half the stories I say arent true or the details are changed so its harder to figure out my identity…..

    #1105331

    writersoul
    Member

    You know that feeling when your friend tells you that she was glancing around the CR, that she opened up a thread in which you have posted a lot, and that she read your post that REFERENCED HER? You start to wish that you did a lot more lying on YWN.

    (Hashem loves me- she didn’t figure out it was me. If she’s have known to look it would’ve taken her about thirty seconds.)

    #1105332

    Shopping613
    Participant

    I also let my brother and friends post occasionly…..

    #1105334

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “The rule is that

    ??? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??”

    ??? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????

    #1105335

    the-art-of-moi
    Participant

    Translation please, Patul Aval Assur?

    #1105336

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Wisey said that the pasuk of “Kol Haadam Kozev” doesn’t show that EVERYONE is a liar because we have a rule ??? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ?? which means that you can’t apply a rule to every individual case even if the rule seems to say that it applies to every case. I responded back that (based on the Kitzur Klalei Hatalmud in the back of Berachos) the rule of ??? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ?? only applies to a statement made by a Tanna because Tannaim were notorious for talking in abridged ways, but not to a statement made by an Amora because Amoraim do not talk in the same abridged way. Now it happens to be that here we are discussing Dovid Hamelech and perhaps he spoke like a Tanna and therefore the rule would apply, but I cannot say so for certain.

    #1105337

    the-art-of-moi
    Participant

    Oh. Thanks!

    #1105338

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    kol hakozev, bmumo kozev

    #1105339

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “because Tannaim were notorious for talking in abridged ways, but not to a statement made by an Amora because Amoraim do not talk in the same abridged way”

    Maharatz Chayes Sotah 2a:

    ???? ??”? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???’ ??? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ??”? ???? ???? ???”? ??? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ?????

    #1105340

    ALL U GUYS ARE SO LAME AND STUPID

    #1105341

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    I can walk fine and I’m brilliant.

    #1105343

    TheGoq
    Participant

    What about the girls?

    #1105344

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    ?? ??? ????? ???”?

    #1105345

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    the girls are lamer and stupider

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