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Lying on YWN

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  • Started 3 years ago by popa_bar_abba
  • Latest reply from DaasYochid

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  1. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    I realized, that my friends all know I lie, but some of you might not.
    So, here is my מודעה: Everything I say on this site may not be true. Except my halacha stuff, I take that seriously.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. pumper
    with 2 open arms

    thanks for the disclaimer- we didn't realize ;)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. zaidy78
    Member

    Popa, is your statement a lie, meaning, in reality you never say a lie and always the truth?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. deiyezooger
    Say my name 6 times fast. cmon. TRY IT

    ahah, that's nice, thanks for bringing that point out to us,we will be more careful from now on......

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. HaLeiVi
    Plays the aeolian harp by air

    So you mean there are still chain saws?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    So you mean there are still chain saws?

    I meant more along the lines of that I know nothing about ambidextrous people.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. binahyeseira
    Too cool to ask for a new subtitle

    wait, is the above statement a lie or the truth?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. binahyeseira
    Too cool to ask for a new subtitle

    realized, that my friends all know I lie, but some of you might not.
    So, here is my מודעה: Everything I say on this site may not be true.

    is that the truth or a lie?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    wait, is the above statement a lie or the truth?

    Sorry, the tautology does not work here, since I didn't say I always lie.
    Therefore, if I am lying here, it actually is self fulfilling. So either way it is true.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. tro11
    Brother of tro22

    Oh yeah, and also they get binah yeseira!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. binahyeseira
    Too cool to ask for a new subtitle

    :)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. Two things come to mind:
    1) it's still Adar
    2) is it April 1 yet where you live?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    pba,

    Are your hashkofos, even if exaggerated, basically real, or totally made up?

    An example which comes to mind is that the lady whose daughter's seat was stolen should have thrown the alteh bubby, who stole the seat, down the steps. Obviously this was exaggerated, but did you really feel that she should not have been accommodating despite the bubby's rudeness? (If you don't mind, please answer this one seriously.)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    DY: My hashkafos are serious also.

    I think most people would have given in in that case.

    I am actually unsure if it is the right thing to do. It probably depends why you are giving in. If it is because you aren't able to stand up for yourself, then I would actually advise not giving in.

    As far as the old lady, I am convinced she is a horrible bully.

    (But no, I would not throw her down the stairs. I can exaggerate sometimes.)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    As far as the old lady, I am convinced she is a horrible bully.

    I'm actually not convinced of anything, because we only hear one side of the story in these cases. But given the story as presented, yes, she sounds like a horrible bully, and yes, one should have the fortitude to stand up to that, but if it were my wife and daughter, (or me in an equivalent situation,) I would hope for the sake of middos and chinuch we would give in, despite not being intimidated.

    Thanks for your response.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. Shticky Guy
    THE SHTICKIEST POSTER IN THE ©®

    Poppa is your statement a lie

    This reminds me of what I heard re what דוד המלך said in תהלים (or !תהילות)
    אני אמרתי בחפזי כל האדם כזב
    "I say in my haste that all men are liars".

    Someone said that if all men are liars then that he is including himself, and if so the statement could be untrue. But if its untrue then he's not a liar so he said the truth. But if he said the truth then its true that all men are liars in which case his statement would be untrue... Etc etc etc.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. Good to know.

    in full disclosure: I occasionally stretch facts so as to make myself less recognizable.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    But if he said the truth then its true that all men are liars in which case his statement would be untrue... Etc etc etc.

    That's not logically correct. A liar is not necessarily someone's whose every statement is untrue. If it were that way, you'd be right. However, a liar could be someone who sometimes lies and sometimes tells the truth.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. Midwest2
    Member

    This begins to sound like something from my freshman logic class of the Cretan saying "All Cretans are liars."

    PBA, are you running some kind of experiment?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. coffee addict
    having withdrawal symptoms

    Daas,

    it would make sense if it was a habitual liar

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    mbachur,

    Yes, but who says it has to mean that?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. binahyeseira
    Too cool to ask for a new subtitle

    more complicated is the fact:

    a) i think that whatever i think is true
    b) i also think that not everything i think is true, is in fact true

    And that is the truth. :)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. ønegºª£™
    Best buds with Dennis Savard

    Popa- Did you know that your screen name next to your post, it is a link to this thread?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. charlie brown
    Member

    onegoal, I pointed that out too here:

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/joseph-1#post-321849

    I posted that before I saw your post here.

    It's hysterical that the mods did that!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. ønegºª£™
    Best buds with Dennis Savard

    CB- It sure is, chocandpatience has a link in her name to the second page of decaffeinated coffee.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    Popa- Did you know that your screen name next to your post, it is a link to this thread?

    Actually I didn't. That is hilarious. I must have missed it when Charlie brown pointed it out also.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. Wisey
    inventor of banana mush

    Kol Haodom Kozev
    The rule is that
    אין למדין מן הכללות אפילו במקום שנאמר בו כל
    basically 'all' doesn't mean 'all'
    Anyways we know that dovid hamelech wasn't a liar.
    Also, אדם refers to the lower level of civilization related to אדמה.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. ybrooklynteacher
    speaks from many years experience in chinuch

    Onegoal, it just happened to me too!!!

    Just wondering what happens when you guys click on my name?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. ZABACHUR
    my friends are all short snails

    It brings you to....wait for it....your profile

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. RebYidd23
    I got the subtitle I asked for

    If all liars lied consistently, we would tag them and reverse whatever they say.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  31. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    That's why popa says he sometimes lies - to throw us off. I think I know when he's lying, but I guess I'll never know for sure.

    For example, I think he's a man, and if he's married, it's to only one wife.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  32. RebYidd23
    I got the subtitle I asked for

    Popa, I believe, is a retired poltergeist with two and a half wives, the half being a woman without a tongue.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  33. Shopping613
    The Awarder, President, and founder of SUC (Single Username Certificates). Contact me to join. Pretty please with all the toppings on top

    Everyone knows Popa lies....seriouy, who dosent make up funny stories here????? Half the stories I say arent true or the details are changed so its harder to figure out my identity.....

    Posted 11 months ago #
  34. writersoul
    Loving Eretz Yisroel more and more each day

    You know that feeling when your friend tells you that she was glancing around the CR, that she opened up a thread in which you have posted a lot, and that she read your post that REFERENCED HER? You start to wish that you did a lot more lying on YWN.
    (Hashem loves me- she didn't figure out it was me. If she's have known to look it would've taken her about thirty seconds.)

    Posted 11 months ago #
  35. Shopping613
    The Awarder, President, and founder of SUC (Single Username Certificates). Contact me to join. Pretty please with all the toppings on top

    I also let my brother and friends post occasionly.....

    Posted 11 months ago #
  36. Patur Aval Assur
    Baki in all things genai

    "The rule is that
    אין למדין מן הכללות אפילו במקום שנאמר בו כל"

    אין למדין מן הכללות היינו דוקא בדברי התנאים מפני שהיו שונים דרך קצרה

    Posted 6 months ago #
  37. the-art-of-moi
    Chizuk is my middle name!

    Translation please, Patul Aval Assur?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  38. Patur Aval Assur
    Baki in all things genai

    Wisey said that the pasuk of "Kol Haadam Kozev" doesn't show that EVERYONE is a liar because we have a rule אין למדין מן הכללות אפילו במקום שנאמר בו כל which means that you can't apply a rule to every individual case even if the rule seems to say that it applies to every case. I responded back that (based on the Kitzur Klalei Hatalmud in the back of Berachos) the rule of אין למדין מן הכללות אפילו במקום שנאמר בו כל only applies to a statement made by a Tanna because Tannaim were notorious for talking in abridged ways, but not to a statement made by an Amora because Amoraim do not talk in the same abridged way. Now it happens to be that here we are discussing Dovid Hamelech and perhaps he spoke like a Tanna and therefore the rule would apply, but I cannot say so for certain.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  39. the-art-of-moi
    Chizuk is my middle name!

    Oh. Thanks!

    Posted 6 months ago #
  40. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    kol hakozev, bmumo kozev

    Posted 6 months ago #
  41. Patur Aval Assur
    Baki in all things genai

    "because Tannaim were notorious for talking in abridged ways, but not to a statement made by an Amora because Amoraim do not talk in the same abridged way"

    Maharatz Chayes Sotah 2a:
    דהרי קי"ל אמורא צריך לפרש דבריו ועי' פחד יצחק ערך אמורא מה שהביא בשם הגאון רבינו שרירא בתשובתו ובשם של"ה מאמר תורה שבע"פ שכל זה יתד נאמן אצלנו שאין לפרש דברי אמורא באופנים אשר לא נכללו בפשיטות דבריו

    Posted 3 months ago #
  42. ALL U GUYS ARE SO LAME AND STUPID

    Posted 3 months ago #
  43. RebYidd23
    I got the subtitle I asked for

    I can walk fine and I'm brilliant.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  44. The Goq™
    Founder, President, Vice President and CEO of the CR Welcome Wagon!

    What about the girls?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  45. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    גם אני מצטרף להנ"ל

    Posted 1 week ago #

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