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  • #601166

    cantgetit
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    What part of the peyos must remain uncut?

    #874071

    real-brisker
    Member

    What do you mean by uncut?

    #874072

    mommamia22
    Participant

    I’ve wondered about that myself, what part you can trim (let’s say during a buzz). Doesn’t it go by minhag, where some people grow it out and put it behind their ear? I learned that the bottom part of the peya has to reach the bottom of the inner opening of the ear. My kids barber said with a buzz cut, anything “3” or above is ok; a “2” is not. He’s not a rav, though. I’m wondering what you all know.

    #874073

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    See Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deah 181. It’s not very complicated.

    mommamia22 –

    There are two opinions about what kind of removing peyos is forbidden. Either only a razor is assur or even a scissors which cuts close like a razor is assur (such as a kosher shaver). We are machmir like the second pshat. Anything which is not similar to a razor-cut is fine. Therefore I believe that a 2 is certainly fine, and even a 1. The only thing I would say is problematic is the clipper without an attachment, and even that might vary based on what it looks like after it’s done.

    #874074

    DyafMaven
    Member

    The min shir I have heard from my rav is at the bone. There is a bone right by your ear canal the peyios have go a little beyond that. Also a 3 or 2 is the thickness of the hair by the payios I agree they should be a 3 maybe even a 4, but I have never asked my rav how tick they should be by the bone, but he did tell me that is the point where they must grow.

    In flatbush their are a few barber shops that have a sign explaining the halachos of peyios that you can look that if you do not have a local orthodox rabbi to ask this question to.

    #874075

    cantgetit
    Member

    Which area is considered part of the peyos?

    #874076

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    The shiur of the bone is where the peyos stop on the bottom. You can feel it next to the middle of your ear where the skull overlaps the jaw (ok there are fancier words but I don’t know them). Under that you do not need to worry about the rules of peyos. This is all in the Shulchan Aruch there.

    #874077

    cantgetit
    Member

    And which area above (or side of) the ear, is considered part of the peyos?

    #874078

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    It’s unclear in the Shulchan Aruch there. He says it starts at the forehead, meaning the hair that juts out from on top of the peyos onto the forehead. My personal opinion is that you draw a slant from there until the front of the top of your ear, and everything lower than that until the bone is your peyos.

    #874079

    Jothar
    Member

    There is a poster available.

    The 18?x24? laminated poster is available for free if it will be on permanent public display in a yeshiva, shul, or barber shop. All others can have a free pdf file of the poster emailed to them, and can print the poster on their home printer or bring it to their local copy center.

    Call 877-Payos-26 (877.729.6726) for simple directions on how to get a copy of the poster or for additional information, including a frequently asked questions section regarding the poster.

    #874080

    real-brisker
    Member

    Click on DaasYochids name, you will see the poster Jothar is talking about.

    #874081

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Does that mean the poster only represents a daas yachid?

    Ok, take this to the worst jokes of all time thread…

    #874082

    koillel101
    Member

    I think it depends on who you ask. Some sects are more machmir.

    #874083

    emlf
    Member
    #874084

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    To make it easier, I’ll post on this thread. And in case the link in my sn is removed, here it is: http://kosherhaircut.com/.

    #874085

    real-brisker
    Member

    DY – Why would it get removed, and not the one that you posted?

    #874086

    hello99
    Member
    #874087

    Menora
    Member

    hello,

    What location is the “location of payos” (above, side, and below)?

    #874088

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    r-b,

    Why would it get removed

    I might decide to change it. Or, a moderator might, but still leave the post. It’s hard to understand why certain links are allowed and others not, because different moderators are on duty at different times.

    #874089

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Hello99,

    This response from someone involved in the production of the poster:

    #874090

    Toi
    Participant

    i think the op meant peyas harosh. in which case, its a machlokes rishonim exactly where the peyous are. the halachah of the is length, not never touching them. go look at rishonim there cuz its too complicate to write.

    #874091

    Menora
    Member

    What Is the mekor to have long peyos going down the side of your head (like Chasidim, Teimenim and some others have)?

    #874092

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    So, why do even litvaks grow their kids’ hair down to the cheekbone? If the kids don’t have sideburns, what is the reason to let hair hang down over it from higher on their head?

    Does this make any sense?

    (And don’t tell me chinuch, since it is not doing the mitzva. The mitzva is to have the hairs that grow there not cut too short, not to have other hair hanging there. It is no different than coloring it on with a marker.)

    #874093

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Brachos 11a:

    ??? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????????

    #874094

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Although not according to Rashi’s pshat. See Aruch and Tos. Harosh.

    #874095

    hello99
    Member

    DY: ??”? ????? ?? ??? ??’ ??”? quotes Rav Dovid Feinstein that one should be Machmir .25″

    #874096

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Yet, his haskama is on the poster (and I know it’s legit). I don’t have access to ??”? ????? ?? to check.

    #874097

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Popa –

    I would guess it comes from the Ari mentioned in the Beis Lechem Yehuda here:

    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9146&st=&pgnum=250&hilite=

    #874098

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    yitay:

    Yes, that I was aware of. And that is presumably what is behind the “brisker” peyos.

    I’m asking more according to litvaks who don’t have peyos at all, and only do the ikkar hadin of not trimming the sideburns too close. Why do they grow their kids hair down to the cheekbone?

    #874099

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Fregt gut.

    Maybe it has something to do with getting into yeshivishe schools.

    #874100

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I donno.

    When I was in kindergarten, we had a kid in the class from a non-frum family. One day, he came in with his “peyos” cut off. And the teachers were upset about it. And I don’t get it. (the teachers were a bit ignorant, in other regards also.)

    #874101

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    They were probably more upset by the fact that the kid had them cut off than had he simply never had them.

    #874102

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    popa: I think it’s cultural, not halachic. Today a lot of litvish/yeshivish Jews want to be more visibly “frum” like the chassidim so they give their kids peyos, just not full length. Though that’s changing too and I see more yeshivish children with longer peyos as well.

    #874103

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Itche: I think we’re talking about different things.

    You’re talking about having peyos which you stick behind your ear. That is based on the Ari that yitayningwut linked. That is an idea that you should allow all the hair in the peyos zone to down to the cheekbone.

    I’m talking about something that you probably also did. That is, that as a kid, before you had sideburns, you still had hair hanging down in front of your ear up to the cheekbone, and you would tell your barber to not cut it off. I have never seen any marginally frum kid without that. And I am trying to figure out why.

    #874104

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    popa: Yeah, now I get you. Though I actually did have peyos behind my ears until I grew sideburns.

    #874105

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Unfortunately, the website for the kosher haircut poster is down. Someone is working on it, but meanwhile, the poster can be obtained here:

    http://freepdfhosting.com/3ade97db11.pdf

    Moderator, kindly allow the link. Thanks.

    #874106

    OneOfMany
    Member

    Welcome back, DY! Here to stay?

    #874107

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The site is B”H back up.

    http://kosherhaircut.com/

    OneOfMany,

    Thanks. I still read the CR once in a while, but posting became very time consuming, so I’ve refrained.

    #874108

    blackhatwannabe
    Participant

    So why do people have peyos behind their ears-is this just a style or Halacha?

    #874109

    SaysMe
    Member

    site’s not working yet actually

    #874110

    avhaben
    Participant

    blackhat: Cause they’re embarassed to leave it in front of their ear.

    #874111

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    It works for me.

    #874112

    blackhatwannabe
    Participant

    Interesting-nothing Halachik-just cause they dont want to stand out amongst the goyim with hair in front of their ears instead of behind what is the length of the peyos behind the ear-is it up to the cheek-bone?

    #874113

    SaysMe
    Member

    um, i’m not sure the reason, but i dont think thats it. From the people i know with peyos behind the ear, its until about the bottom of the ear, where its attached to the head, not the lobe. and from that length and on. One of my relatives doesnt cut his peyos but is not chassidish to curl them, and doesnt either tuck them under his kippa, but wraps them around his ears. Just saw him recently- must be 10 inches long

    #874114

    blackhatwannabe
    Participant

    Many people keep their sideburns down to the bottom of the ear lobe which seems like the more machmir shitah-would this be the same length as if he grew his peyos behind his ear?

    #874115

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    They hold like Elvis.

    #874116

    blackhatwannabe
    Participant

    HA HA…true, but what is the real answer to my question?

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