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  • #595446

    thepro
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    i am an older bochur who has learned hilchos melicha, basar vechalav, and taruvos, and would like to take a smicha exam for yoreh yoreh, I was wondering if anyone knows which choshuveh rabbonim test for smicha, and what style tests they give, and how hard the test is, and how much they charge for a test. I am located in NY so any rav in the ny/nj area would be great.

  • #973397

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I’ll test you for free.

  • #973398

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    1. A fly falls into a thick cholent and cannot be found? Half a fly? Piece of sheretz?

    2. A piece of issur which is raui lehiskabed is mixed among heter. Then it was cut up into pieces some of which are raui lehiskabed and some are not.

    3. Why is the din of od kama naga different by a knife from a spoon?

    4. I stirred a pot of meat with dairy spoon, then still without realizing, added more meat.

    5. When will lo noda make a difference?

  • #973399

    hello99
    Member

    I could email a mod Reb Zalman Nechemia Goldberg’s test. You can ask a friend in Yerushalaim to drop it off at his house. It is open book, take as long as you want. If nothing else, it is great practice

  • #973400

    hello99
    Member

    pba: #1 even half a fly is assur. See Yad Yehuda 104 that even the Shach is not meikil on something that can be seen after great tircha and removed.

    Just said shiur on that seif Monday

  • #973401

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Hey, you’re messing up the test. No cheating.

    thepro: disregard hello’s answer.

  • #973402

    bpt
    Participant

    Best of luck, Pro. But before you hang up the diploma, make sure you know the 5th chelek cold. That, you get tested on every day.

  • #973403

    me too
    Member

    Someone asked an Adom Gadol (R’ Shlomo Zalmen?) a Sheila and he sensed the Rav debating in his mind.

    So he asked “the Rav is weighing the fifth chelek?”

    No the first

  • #973404

    thepro
    Member

    Thanks but i have already the R. Zalman Nechemia Test. I was looking for a more oral test in America.

  • #973405

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    hello and pba: what about if only a carapace (a piece of the fly’s wing) falls in? They are almost transparent. Do we say that theoretically it can be removed? Or do we say that it can’t be seen? Just talking off the top of my head I would say that something that thin would dissolve anyway, but I wouldn’t give the food to somebody based on that svara. What do you think?

  • #973406

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I am unfamiliar with the ???? ???? hello is citing.

    thepro: so, what are your answers?

  • #973407

    hello99
    Member

    pba: you’ve never heard of the Yad Yehuda???

  • #973408

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I intended that I am unfamiliar with the particular one you are citing.

    Now, as it happens, I am not familiar with it.

    My test was not focused on halacha lamaisa, so we really only learned the ??, ??. And ??? ?????, ??? ???, and various ??????? as required.

  • #973409

    can I get that test you are talking about

  • #973410

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    So, anyone have an answer to my question? Preferably with mareh mekomos (mar’ey makom? daykanim, help) so I can look it up?

  • #973411

    deiyezooger
    Member

    I was tested by Rav Yechezkel Roth (Karlsburger Rav in BP). There is no charge, took almost 2 hours (with many interuptions since his phone was ringing off the hook with sheilois).

  • #973412

    hello99
    Member

    ItcheSrulik: If you held in your hand a spoonful of the cholunt containing the fly’s wing, and even looking intently could not see it, even the Taz would agree it is batel. Drisha, Chazon Ish, Chasam Sofer

  • #973413

    Hello99 and thePro: Do you mind emailing me the Rav Zalman Nechemia test. I am learning Yoreh Deah, and would like to take the test.

  • #973414

    hello99
    Member

    no problem. where should I send it?

  • #973415

    hello99
    Member

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  • #973416

    optimusprime
    Member

    Hello99 and the Pro: I have the same request as Laurel Heights. Can I please be emailed the test from Rav Zalman Nechemia Goldberg?

  • #973417

    oomis
    Member

    pba: #1 even half a fly is assur. See Yad Yehuda 104 that even the Shach is not meikil on something that can be seen after great tircha and removed.”

    Honestly, whatever the halacha says, I would throw the entire pot out, If I knew even a tiny piece of a bug was in my food, I would never be able to eat it, even if it was ENTIRELY removed. I once had a really yummy tuna sandwich on my desk at work. I was about to pick it up, when a cockroach merely walked past it (NEVER touched it at all). I could not bring myself to take a bite.

  • #973418

    deiyezooger
    Member

    oomis; thats good in practical life but is not a valid answer on a test.

  • #973419

    optimusprime
    Member

    Hello99

    Thank you very much!

  • #973421

    twisted
    Member

    oomis, you get a credit, and a demerit. Bava Metzia 61b: It was taught in the house (bais medrash) or Rabbi Yishmael; Said the Holy One Blessed be He, were it only for this, that they do not defile themselves with insects, it would have merited the Redemtion from Egypt, it would be enough. They replied to him: the merit is greater than tzitit, and honest weights and (desisting from) usury? He replied to them: even thought the merit is not as great, they regard them (forbidden inscects etc.) with utter revulsion.

    And, Sifra Kedoshim: One should not say, I don’t want the pigs flesh, rather he should say I want it, but my Father in heaven has forbidden it.

    So you should really want that cockroach, but restrain yourself.

  • #973422

    Hello99:

    Thanks so much!

  • #973423

    ari-free
    Participant

    oomis I guess this means you don’t eat at restaurants…

  • #973424

    yekke2
    Participant
  • #973425

    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    oomis-

    omg sounds terrible.. i wud prob throw up on the spot.. did ur male coworkers take care of the visitor 4 u?? hope so!!

    thepro-

    the chofetz chaim roshei yeshiva do smicha tests in queens.. very reliabe, accepted by everyone.. gluck and study hard!! i know that the entire chofetz chaim yeshiva that takes the test uses audio review 4 one part thats partcularly challenging.. i know thats its rlly intense so gluck!! like a couple of hours long..

    Edited for privacy.

  • #973427

    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    pba-ahh thanx i ttly x realize..wow that was scary..

    thanx mods 4 editing it!!

  • #973428

    WIY
    Member

    ThePurpleOne

    Please be more careful with the private info.

  • #973429

    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    wiy-

    i know!! its soo hard.. its true that the whole cc cud fig out who i am.. good the mods edited it fast!! urgg i gotta b more careful..

  • #973430

    psteinb
    Member

    hello99

    that’s rav zng’s test?

  • #973431

    WIY
    Member

    Is it that easy to get smicha? Just learn the answers take the test and you have smicha. This makes it into a joke.

  • #973432

    Sam2
    Member

    pbstein: Yes it is.

    WIY: R’ Zalman Nechemiah Goldberg is one of the more respected Smichas out there. And that’s the point. As long as you know the answers, you can Pasken most everyday Shailos. Hence, you have earned Smicha . You also need a minimum requirement of years spent in Beis Midrash learning, I believe.

  • #973433

    WIY
    Member

    Sam2

    You know anywhere I can find the answers typed up?

  • #973434

    thegra
    Member

    So anyone can just learn in advanced, take the test and is a Rabbi? That is a little scary. I guess they should make smicha standard if they are already doing this. That anyone who goes to yeshiva should by default take the test and get smicha.

  • #973435

    yungerman1
    Member

    WIY- There is a sefer that was published with the test and the (author’s) answers.

  • #973436

    thegra
    Member

    “There is a sefer that was published with the test and the (author’s) answers.”

    Whats the name of the sefer

  • #973437

    benignuman
    Participant

    My understanding is that Reb Zalman Nechemia does not expect people to use this smicha to actually pasken shailos. It’s for people who are going out in chinuch or kiruv and need the “Rabbi” title.

    I think Rabbi Goldberg gives are real oral bechina for someone who genuinely wants to pasken.

  • #973438

    thegra3
    Member

    “My understanding is that Reb Zalman Nechemia does not expect people to use this smicha to actually pasken shailos.”

    What happens when they try to or do?

  • #973439

    musser zoger
    Member

    “My understanding is that Reb Zalman Nechemia does not expect people to use this smicha to actually pasken shailos.”

    What happens when they try to or do?

    The smicha self destructs.

  • #973440

    musser zoger
    Member

    My understanding is that Reb Zalman Nechemia does not expect people to use this smicha to actually pasken shailos. It’s for people who are going out in chinuch or kiruv and need the “Rabbi” title.

    Also it sounds real good when you get called for an alya. Also good for shiduch resumes and impresing the mechutanim.

  • #973441

    benignuman
    Participant

    thegra3,

    If they know what they are talking about, nothing.

    If they do not, then they are betraying the trust of both those who ask them the question and Rabbi Goldberg.

  • #973442

    Just Emes
    Member

    i was told that one needs to have completed the written test, oral test, and letters of recommendation from a rav about your knowledge, learning skills, midos etc…there is also a test on nidda that can be taken

  • #973443

    Sam2
    Member

    Just Emes: There’s not necessarily an oral “test”, but at the very least he Schmoozes with you in learning. And you need a letter of recommendation from a Rav.

  • #973444

    psteinb
    Member

    can anyone offer some suggestions for question #7 (melicha) on rav zalman’s test?

    pesach

  • #973445

    psteinb
    Member

    and is there really a book from rav zalman?

  • #973446

    sam4321
    Member
  • #973447

    psteinb
    Member

    sam4321 – is that extract in reference to my query about question #7?

    (thanks)

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