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It’s makeup is 80+% non-Chareidi, i.e. right-wing daati guys, etc. And the small part of the unit that is of Chareidim constitutes dropouts, OTD kids and other misfits or guys with problems.
I think MO don’t want to believe in daas Torah because they don’t want to feel like they’re being told what to do.
Joseph,
If they are OTD why don’t they do a regular IDF program? As for being ” dropouts” or “guys with problems” are you admitting that not everyone should learn full-time?
Just out of curiosity, what is your heter for being motzi shem ra on a whole group of Jews? If you do not have one you must come to EY and ask forgiveness from each NC guy.
DY Of course that is true
The following are true as well:
Chareidim want to believe in daas Torah because they are afraid to make their own decisions (heard from R’ Aaron Feldman).
Chareidim want to believe in daas Torah because they want a go to argument that can end any discussion about what they already decided. (heard from R’ Michel Shurkin)
Obviously there are other reasons as well and different people have different reasons but those are the two most common ones I’ve come across.
And dont even think of arguing, after all it is Daas Torah! (see what I did)
DaasYochid: Are you talking about Dati in Israel? If so, you are sadly mistaken.
You also have people of all stripes, including Chareidim, that pay lip service to Das Torah. Nothing new with that.
I was trolling; mw13’s first attempt http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/ywn-gedolim-backed-nachal-chareidi-at-the-onset-albeit-quietly turned into a DT thread.
1. Its not really Hareidi, but merely frummer than a normal unit.
2. While this is hard to believe in the Hareidi world, many religious zionists are very frum – meaning frum enough to have conflicts if they were in regular units. Since the army is legally and politically committee to including Orthodox Jews in all units, and can’t admit that it fails to do so, they put the more frum of the religious zionists in units that are called “hareidi”. To call the “frum zionists” would be to admit that the army overall is not accomodating the religious zionists.
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