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One in Monsey, one in Boro Park and one in Lakewood. So how many of you going??
Was just wondering just like there is a Internet asifa, why isn’t there one against SMOKING? (on the gashmiyos side)that kills people as well. Even with a filter on cigarettes does not help.
right on duddle smoking is ten times worse then the internet
Lkovid the yahtzeit of last years event.
Dafyomi
Apples and oranges. The internet kills spiritually. And in some cases very quickly and permanently.
WIY- And cigarettes kill only temporarily?
We need our physical self in order to grow spiritually.
Secular,
Not one time. That is the difference. One “mis-surf” on the web can lead to immidiate and permanent damage.
But I am sure you knew that.
The main reason is that the Internet is primarily an awareness issue, whereas smoking is clear to everyone whose head is not in the sand that it is wrong.
Apples and oranges.
Not necessarily. The analogy is true in some areas. The dangers of both cigarettes and internet are somewhat reduced by a filter, but both remain highly dangerous and highly addictive even with a filter
nishtdayngesheft- Then, what are you doing on the internet? Seems pretty risky because as you say, “one mis-surf.”
HaKatan -“The main reason is that the Internet is primarily an awareness issue, whereas smoking is clear to everyone whose head is not in the sand that it is wrong.”
Obviously not. Why are all these Yeshiva boys starting to smoke?
Perhaps they need awareness that it’s a problem?
Secular,
Because I listened, and understood the dangers and filter appropriately to protect from a Mis-surf.
Just proving my point.
You may have proven that you were actually not aware. I will have to bear that in mind in future comments to you.
If you have a good support system of values and love of yiddishkeit from home, the Internet is absolutely no problem. If not, it can lead to aveira
rationalfrummie
We all have weaknesses and everyone should have a filter because theres nobody who doesnt have a strong yetzer hora to look where they shouldnt. The yetzer hora doesnt say “oh he has a strong support system blah blah blah new age psychology blah blah he is impervious to me I wont get him.” The yetzer hora in these areas is very strong, even more so than in other areas as the Rambam says in hilchos Teshuva, a person thinks whats the big deal all I did was look its not like I “DID” anything? So a person is all the more susceptible to aveiros of the eyes.
I dont believe there is anyone who doesnt have a filter that hasnt purposely looked at things they shouldnt have at least once if not many times and certainly and it goes without saying inadvertently.
WIY- it’s only a problem for men. Women may not understand the Yetzer Hora since they don’t have it.
@ShalomToYou “WIY- it’s only a problem for men. Women may not understand the Yetzer Hora since they don’t have it.”
Now that is completely not true however much you would like it to be. It is less of a problem but it is not solely a male issue.
jbaldy22- Why would I like it to be that way?? I have no vested interest n this matter. Just reporting a fact.
“just reporting a fact”
complete baloney
smh…smh…
Rational Frummie: “If you have a good support system of values and love of yiddishkeit from home, the Internet is absolutely no problem. If not, it can lead to aveira”
Shalom to You: “WIY- it’s only a problem for men. Women may not understand the Yetzer Hora since they don’t have it”.
That is simply absurd. Of course women have that yetzer hara. Maybe not as great, perhaps but big nevertheless and I know many, many girl/women from great homes whos entire lives were destroyed by the internet.
As the other posters have stated you very obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Talk to any psychologist who deals with frum families. This kind of stuff is extremely well known in the secular world.
If you have a good support system of values and love of yiddishkeit from home,
…then you don’t have a yetzer hora??!!??!!
Of course you have a yetzer harah. It’s just harder for you to fall that badly if all the things I mentioned are in place. You cannot just turn a switch and taivah will come, it’s more complex than that.
ShalomToYou: Perhaps you mean that men and women have yetzer haras for different things on the internet, and I’d say that you MAY have a point. But that doesn’t mean that the internet could necessarily be more HARMFUL for men than for women.
Rational Frummie:
Halevai that would be true. Many extremely frum Guys and girls from really frum homes have fallen real fast- and it started with a click of the mouse. And they fell real bad, unfortunately.
I know many of these people, very well. And its very scary, and very sad.
The yetzer hara does not discriminate between circumstances. If anything, he tries harder on those who are stronger.
That is true. But the way to defeat the yetzer harah is not isolation and detachment, its by turning chop into kodesh. Not using the Internet could actually be very bad, if you could be using it lekadesh shem shomayim and learning Torah, etc.
Rational Frummie:
I agree that we need to turn bad in to kodesh. However, the yetzer hara is so great that many who have set out on the internet to “turn bad in to good” have been overpowered by the yetzer hara and have fallen straight in to bad.
All I am saying is to protect yourself. I need to use the internet for college and stuff, so I do, but I have a strict filter that only allows me on certain things.
Believe me, I come from a great home, with yiddishkeit and support etc, and I still do not trust myself with a open internet. I have fallen before I installed this filter, and I never, ever want to fall like that again.
Rational frummie- many people have fallen and sinned no matter what there Backround is. The reason why the rabanan put out fences around halachos in the Torah is to prevent us from even doing sins in the first place. Having a filter is a fence. You may not think you will do anything, but it is there to protect you just in case you slip up since everyone slips up. I believe the Internet is great and you can learn a lot. At the same time, all good things have a negative, and you have to do the most that you can do to make you sure you are using the Internet to the best of your ability,
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