November 22, 2012 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #606385
Unscientific poll… Are you having Turkey for supper tonight? Is is a proper Thanksgiving Dinner or what?November 22, 2012 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #1195724
Machlokes Haposkim whether it is assur. But if you’re stam eating turkey (because you happened to get a good sale price on it, for example) and it is only coincidental that it is Thanksgiving but you are not celebrating it, it should be okay to eat.November 22, 2012 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1195725
Not really because it always winds up that I eat turkey for the next week. there is only so much turkey I can eat.
I do love Pumpkin pie though, Its one of my favoritesNovember 22, 2012 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #1195726
No, but not out of any belief that doing so is forbidden.
The WolfNovember 22, 2012 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #1195727
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I pardoned my turkeyNovember 23, 2012 3:39 am at 3:39 am #1195728
classic wolf postNovember 23, 2012 3:53 am at 3:53 am #1195729
I’ve celebrated thanksgiving every year of my life. I’m not really sure why Americans wouldn’t celebrate Thanksgiving. We’re thanking G-d for giving us freedom in America. I know we thank Him everyday, but today our country becomes one and thanks Him. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!November 23, 2012 4:05 am at 4:05 am #1195730
I give thanks to Hashem after every dinner I eat, as well as after breakfast and lunch and any snacks or drinks I have throughout the day!November 23, 2012 4:55 am at 4:55 am #1195731
Absolutely. And I made gravy for the turkey from the pan drippings mixed with a little cooking sherry and potato starch, and also made pumpkin pie, apple pie, cranberry sauce with mandarin oranges, cloves and cinnamon, a pot of brown and wild rice, bread stuffing, pareve scalloped potatoes, a fresh fruit platter, and corn kugel.
Except for Purim, this is the only meal that everyone is off and able to drive over and more importantly…leave at the end of the meal, LOL. I had 15 people for dinner, two were an older married couple who are on their own and who would have dined alone. I invite them to my sedarim also and most yomim tovim for at least one meal.
There is no reason not to have a nice dinner today, and no reason to not make it a turkey meal (healthy and loads of tryptophan). We should be thankful to live in a time and place where people do not prevent us from being a frum Yid.I might not actually
“celebrate” turkey day, but I certainly do enjoy spending it with family and friends.November 23, 2012 9:16 am at 9:16 am #1195733
I am very thankful that the Europeans murdered and pillaged the Native Americans, while in return we were taught the traditions and specialties of the new land.November 23, 2012 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #1195734
Jewish Thanksgiving Day is on the 25th of the month (Kisleiv, that is), and it lasts for 8 days, celebrated with potato latkes and doughnuts….mmmmmmmmmmmmm
– btw, regarding your poll, no turkey for us. even though i live in canada, and thanksgiving in canada was in october, my american relatives are here for the weekend and were happy with a nice canadian dinner.November 23, 2012 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #1195736
I heard a shiur last night while in the car, 107.9 – I think it was Rabbi Frand.
He was discussing the halachic implications of Thanksgiving. But what was interesting to me was the history of the day, which he expounded upon.
If 1662 (?approx, I don’t recall), the Pilgrims celebrated in JULY their thanks at suviving a difficult winter. Nothing happened after that until 1782(again approx, I don’t recall) a NJ congressman or similar, suggested a holiday for thanks for this country etc. Again it was unused until during or after the Civil War (1860’s?) when Lincoln established it as thanks for this country and our freedoms etc.
Rabbi Frand, if that’s who it was, went on to say he didn’t know how the current holiday linked up back to the Pilgrim’s story, but eventually it got all mixed together.November 23, 2012 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #1195737
According to some turkey is assur year round. I think we paskin that we do not rely on simanim for the kashrus of birds, but rather we rely on Mesorah. Since turkey is not native to Europe, there was never a Mesorah for the kashrus of turkey. I guess this is similar to why many people don’t wear techeiles.November 23, 2012 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1195738
What does turkey and thanking have in common?November 24, 2012 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #1195739
And there is also the spectacular contortion of Ashkenaz mesorah that allows one to eat such a bird.November 25, 2012 5:35 am at 5:35 am #1195740
I guess the menorah is just a side show to the more important element of ess and fress.November 25, 2012 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1195741
I had a kezayis of turkey and said l’shem yichud over a can of cranberries.November 26, 2012 12:56 am at 12:56 am #1195742
I hope u made a hoadama on the cranberries.November 26, 2012 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #1195743
Correct me if I am mistaken, but is there not an inyan that we also rely on the intrinsic behavior of the birds, i.e. their manner of walking and or flying (if they actually do fly), and what they eat, to determine if they are kosher? Also, the flying creatures that are not kosher were listed by name in the Torah. Has a turkey ever been identified as one of those names?????November 26, 2012 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #1195744
I did not eat turkey, but that is just because I don’t like the taste. The rest of my family had turkey, along with our guests.
I explained to my kids that while we thank Hashem for everything every day by davening, making brachos, etc., the USA designated this day to thank G-d for the freedoms we have. My grandparents truly appreciate what so many of us take for granted – the right to practice our religion without being persecuted for it. Therefore, out of hakaras hatov to Hashem for giving us the USA, we celebrate Thanksgiving. (On July 4th we celebrate out of hakaras hatov to the USA itself.)November 26, 2012 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #1195745
oomis: It’s a bit of a mystery why we eat turkeys, since we stopped relying on the simanim several hundred years ago, and now require mesorah on it.
The best answer I’ve seen is that turkeys just beat the clock and we found them and started eating them right before we decided to only use mesorah, and so therefore they had a mesorah from that time.November 27, 2012 1:18 am at 1:18 am #1195746
Uneeq: That made me laugh out loud.February 22, 2015 4:13 am at 4:13 am #1195748
I don’t want to start a new thread for this so I’m posting here.
Does anybody know which tape has Rabbi Avigdor Miller tz”l’s view on Thanksgiving? If anybody can give me the number of the tape it would be appreciated.November 24, 2016 1:05 am at 1:05 am #1195749
Are they talking about cassette tapes? Video tapes? Like VHS?November 24, 2016 2:26 am at 2:26 am #1195750
Does anybody know which tape has Rabbi Avigdor Miller tz”l’s view on Thanksgiving?
I’m not sure if you’re still looking but it is on tape #529. I think it’s in the Q&A section, not the main speech.November 24, 2016 2:32 am at 2:32 am #1195751
So cool you can dl it 🙂
“Rabbi Avigdor Miller: 529. Mitzvah of Happiness”November 25, 2016 9:47 am at 9:47 am #1195752
I had turkey last night. Not l’shem thanksgiving but l’shem joining my family who were eating it l’shem thanksgiving.
Also l’shem the fact that it was yum!
Qualification: I am not trying to say that I am opposed to someone celebrating Thanksgiving if that is how their Rabbanim posken.November 25, 2016 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #1195753
PBA: “The best answer I’ve seen is that turkeys just beat the clock and we found them and started eating them right before we decided to only use mesorah, and so therefore they had a mesorah from that time.”
PBA, I totally thought you were joking, but I just saw an article on YWN main site that says that!
I guess you were being serious.November 25, 2016 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #1195754
The Agudah used to have their yearly convention on Thanksgiving weekend and served Turkey at the conventionNovember 25, 2016 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1195755
Re comment by iced: So to be kosher, a turkey must be bargain-priced? LOL. I am sure you are not anti-Semitic, but I am sure your comment is.November 25, 2016 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #1195756
I’m having turkey tonight. I cooked and carved it. And made turkey soup from the bonesNovember 25, 2016 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #1195757
The Agudah used to have their yearly convention on Thanksgiving weekend and served Turkey at the convention
Mitchila ovdei avoda Zara hayu avoseinuNovember 25, 2016 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #1195758November 26, 2016 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #1195759
There are three opinions on Thanksgiving. Rav Hutner says that it is avoda zara, Rav Soloveichik celebrated it himself and Rav Moshe says that it is a foolishness but not prohibited. Eating turkey (in general) is another machloket.November 26, 2016 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1195760
Turkey in Hebrew is Hodu.November 27, 2016 12:12 am at 12:12 am #1195761
After Thanksgiving some people go cold turkey.
That’s halachically permissible right?November 27, 2016 11:37 am at 11:37 am #1195762
Tonight (Sunday)we’ll be having turkey dinner in the CTL house as we do approximately 50 Sundays each year. In fact last night I went to one of the area general population supermarkets who had advertised a clearance on all frozen turkeys @ 79 cents per pound and bought every (22) Empire they had in stock. I filled 3 freezers in our garage with just over 400 pounds of frozen turkey.
I’ve been shopping this way for about 20 years. The store is part of a major chain that has many locations in Jewish areas. Therefore they stock all branches with Empire to cover their holiday advts. The small town 15 minutes from home has almost no Jews, the meat manager told me that the only customers buying kosher turkeys do so because they think they are pre-brined. Poor planning on the part of the chain, bargains for meNovember 29, 2016 2:31 am at 2:31 am #1195763
It’s Monday and we still have cold kosher turkey yay!November 29, 2016 3:01 am at 3:01 am #1195764
CTL, can I ask how Mrs. CTL is doing?November 29, 2016 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #1195765
Thank you for your kind inquiry.
The best I can say is fair. She is currently recovering from her 11th surgery of 2016, done last Friday. It was not a complete success. It is only with complete emunah in Hashem that we manage to go on with our daily activities.
The CR serves for me as both a diversion and online support system. Mrs. CTL is a very private person and I cannot discuss in person her condition with friends and most relatives.
She is in our tefilosNovember 29, 2016 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1195766
“She is in our tefilos”
Ditto. Refuah Shelaima b’karov!November 30, 2016 11:50 am at 11:50 am #1195767
May she have a refuah shelaima quickly and easily.November 30, 2016 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1195768
Wishing Mrs CTL a Refuah Shleima b’karov.
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