Better to Wear a Hat for Davening at Home than to Daven with a Minyan

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  • #886100

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Sorry, I misstated. The ??? ????? quotes the ????? ????? ????? in R’ Chaim’s name.

    #886101

    MDG
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    So, if you say that one should rather not be in shul w/o a hat and jacket, could one derive that the not-properly-dressed man should not count for minyan? After all, he really should not be there.

    #886102

    Kozov
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    I’m not sure anyone said that MDG.

    #886103

    Englishman
    Member

    The real question is thus:

    Considering he should better daven at home with a hat rather than at a minyan without a hat, does that mean if he won’t have a hat either way (he’s away from home and forgot his hat) he should daven at home (without a hat/jacket) or should he daven with a minyan (without a hat/jacket)?

    Essentially, the question is whether the problem is davening without a hat/jacket (bchlal) or the problem is davening in a shul (with a tzibur) without a hat/jacket.

    #886104

    Kosherlevine
    Member

    I find this to ba a little crazy.

    #886105

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    MDG,

    If there were only nine others, he probably should remain to be the tenth (according to some shittos, it’s not considered tefillah b’tzibbur unless all ten daven, so he probably should daven with them).

    Englishman,

    The problem is davening inappropriately clad bichlal. Since he will do that any way, he should daven with a minyan.

    #886106

    gavra_at_work
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    ?????? ???? ??’ ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ????

    (Gittin 38B)

    I believe we can bring a Rayiah from here, that even though the eved could not daven himself (since obviously an Eved would not have been wearing the Levush Yehudi of a Fedora and Sportscoat), none the less he still counted for a minyan. Therefore R’ Eliezer was correct in freeing the Eved.

    #886107

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    since obviously an Eved would not have been wearing the Levush Yehudi of a Fedora and Sportscoat

    I’ve seen many Canaanim dressed that way.

    #886108

    oomis
    Participant

    It’s okay, Oomis, you don’t ned to wear a hat to daven. 🙂 “

    Listen, MY head is ALWAYS covered, davening or not.

    #886109

    Sam2
    Participant

    Oomis: R’ Ovadia actually has a T’shuvah where he says that single girls should have to cover their heads while they Daven. Not their hair, but their heads, just like a guy can’t Daven without a Kippah on. In the end he says they don’t have to, but it sounds like he thinks they really should. (The Tzitz Eliezer deals with the same issue and says they shouldn’t, but he needs a fairly Dachuk Chiddush to say that).

    #886110

    pcoz
    Member

    Does the headless horseman have to wear a hat?

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