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Biting the Pitum on Hoshana Rabbah

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  • Started 4 years ago by Feivy36
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  1. Feivy36
    Member

    There is minhag for pregnant women to bite the pitum of the Esrog on Hoshana Rabbah, as a segula for easy birth.
    Does anyone know the reason and source.
    Also the Yehi Ratzon to be said with it.
    Thanks

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. theprof1
    Member

    The Munkatcher Rebbe Ztzl, Minchas Elozor, in his sefer of minhagim says, in paragraph 796, that the minhag of biting off the pitom has no source in halacho or tradition and should not be done at all. He also says that this minhag was written in the sefer Matoh Efraim but in an older edition it was not found.

    In Matoh Efraim printed in 1920 in Warsaw in siman 660 seif 6 it says that the minhag is for pregnant women to bite off the pitom. The reason he says is because there is a shitoh in Chazal that the fruit of the Eitz Hadas was an esrog. Therefore to so to speak atone for that sin that Chava the 1st woman did, a woman bites off the pitom to show that she isn't happy with what Chava did. So Chava's punishment of labor pains will be alleviated for her. In Matoh Efraim printed in 1842 in Warsaw it does not appear. In a print of 1923 of KleinVardein it also does not appear.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. artchill
    Member

    It's a segulah, NOT a minhag. The segulah is to have a GIRL and has nothing to do with an easy childbirth. Bas techilah siman yafe lebanim, guarantees you three children minimum over the course of life. So, it's worth the try!

    There is NO Yehi Ratzon, you can add your own heartfelt tefillah that all should go well. It's like the Yehi Ratzon to have a raise in salary on Rosh Hashanah night!!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. minyan gal
    limericist extrordinaire

    Biting the pitum? Feh! Yuck!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. BHTWIA
    Member

    Hoshana Raba, being the seventh day of succos, is still succos, so the esrog should still be huktzeh l'mitzva, and thus asur for hana'a. I've heard of biting it off (though never with any source) as a segula for having a boy, but after yom tov, not on hoshana raba. Any thoughts on this?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. smartcookie
    Member

    This is too funny. I've always heard that biting off the pitum is a Segulah for beautiful children. Pregnant or not.

    (Maybe we should all try it this year and we'll end the Shidduch crisis!! ;-))

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. theprof1
    Member

    Before all of you keep on shooting off and saying complete nonsense that has no source in any sefer,here is the exact language of the Matoh Efraim in the 1920 printing that I mentiobned above:

    Pregnant women have a minhag on Hoshanoh Raboh (after the tefilos in shul when their husbands come home) to bite off the pitom of the esrog on the day of Hoshanoh Raboh. The reason for this is that some commentators say that the fruit of the Eitz Hadas that Odom ate was the esrog. The minhag is in addition to give money to poor people and in that merit that she and her unborn child (no mention here of boy or girl at all) be saved from dying during childbirth). She then says the following short tefilah: Ribono shel olam, Chava gave Odom to eat the fruit of the Eitz Hadas and because of that she brought death to the world. Had I been there I would not have eaten the esrog and I would not have agreed to Chava’s actions. In that merit please accept my prayers and save me and my unborn child from dying during childbirth.
    No where is it mentioned that she will have beautiful children or a boy or a girl.

    The word segula is never used although I would think that it should be called a segula. Keep in mind again, although the later printing mentions this minhag, earlier printings don't have it at all. The Munkatcher Rebbe mentions that clearly, that this is a new "minhag" that has no real source in any halacho seforim or minhag seforim. He clearly calls it a minhag shtus. In general, before you say something here, do some research and don't blabble nonsense.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. The chamelon
    Blocked

    theprof1 wrote
    """The Munkatcher Rebbe Ztzl, Minchas Elozor, in his sefer of minhagim says, in paragraph 796,"""
    are you referring to Darkei Chaim V'Shalom ??? That sefer was not authored ny the Munkatser Rav ZYA but by a Gabai after the rav's petira. Another sefer? name please.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. AinOhdMilvado
    Member

    Want a great "segula" for an easy, healthy childbirth for mother and child???
    More teshuva, more tefila, more tzedaka.
    Those acts are more effective than any pitom, kamaiya, or red string.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. theprof1
    Member

    In Sefer Taamei Haminhogim in simon 815 at the bottom in kuntres achron it says: the minhag is to take the esrog and preserve it with sugar as a jam with esrog slices or pieces. This esrog preserve is then eaten on Tu B'Shvat which is Rosh Hashono for trees. It also says that it's a minhag to give some esrog to a pregnant woman to ensure that she have an easy labor and delivery. Taamei Haminhagim brings this from sefer Orchos Chaim simon 664 in the name of sefer Yafah LeLev. The "minhag" of biting the pitom is not mentioned by Taamei Haminhagim at all. Anything else I can do for you?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. Feivy36
    Member

    שאלה : יש מנהג שמעוברת נגוס הפיטמא של האתרוג, האם יכול לעשות זה על הושענא רבא, או צריך להמתין עד אחר שמיני עצרת?
    תשובה מהגאון ר' חיים קניבסקי: יכול

    וכן הפשטות של כל מי שמביא המנהג עיין בזכר דוד (מאמר ראשון פרק ע"ה עמ' תקל"ג), חיים וברכה (אות ע', רכ"ח), אלף המגן (ס' תר"ס אות ו'), לקוטי מהרי"ח (סוף סדר חג הסוכות), אבל עיין בדרכי חיים ושלום (אות תשצ"ו) שאינו יכול לעשות עד אחר שמיני לעצרת, (ועיין שם שמפקפק על כל המנהג), וכן סבר ר' אלישיב שליט"א (בסוף ספר ארבעת המינים כהלכתם עמ' ב' אות ח' של הוספות), וכן עיין תשובה מר' נבנצל שליט"א, ועיין נטעי גבריאל סוכות (פרק פ' אות ח')

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. Feivy36
    Member

    And why not do both... Bite the pitum, and then turn it into esrog jelly?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. bpt
    never caustic

    Segulah for a girl? Mrs BP bit, and only produced boys. But they are beautiful, and one is extremely senesitite and caring, so maybe it worked afterall!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. frumladygit
    Blocked

    I thought its a minhag for shalom bayis

    Posted 4 years ago #

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