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Or should we wait for an 11th mispallel?
Well can a kofer? I guess it’s the same question.
And btw joseph i’m impressed you keep track of that shmutz.
In my shul the women are never counted for the minyan.
We count them but they’re 2 for 1.
Can people who do any shetut (such as posting nonsensical threads) be counted in a minyan? Saints are not avoda zara and people today certainly do not intend for it.
Waiting for Sam to opine whether it’s chukas akum.
This is a ridiculous thread. There is no avoda zarah involved in this. Despite the name, it’s just a day to celebrate one’s love for another. I don’t celebrate it and don’t know any frum people that do, but even if they did, there is no religious observance connected to it
oh flatbusher your against young couples eating together but this is ok!?
It’s just as bad as living in Saint Louis.
Were did you get that from
No! It’s as bad as living in Saint Augusta, if that sounds any different.
Lefty: How do you compare it? If someone wants to buy flowers or chocolate for his wife as an expression of love, how is that like couples getting very familiar with each other?
Oh, for heaven’s sake.
Look, I’m a huge romantic. People on these boards have bashed me for that, but that’s who I am. And, even so, I don’t celebrate Valentine’s Day, largely because of it’s Christian origin.
On the other hand, the day is, for all practical purposes, no longer really a Christian holiday in any meaningful sense of the word. As a result, I would say that those who do are certainly not engaging in avoda zara in any manner, shape or form.
Do I think it’s better if they don’t celebrate the day? Yes, I do. But should that cause them to be excluded from a minyan? Please. Let’s put it this way — there are plenty of other people I would exclude before I exclude someone who celebrates Valentine’s Day.
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Flatbubusher i’m glad you have such a clean mind, but just letting you know not all the people doing that are married
So what, Lefty? (This is about frum Jews celebrating the day.)
(There’s no “Saint Hallow.” The closest names are All Hallows’ Eve and
All Saints’ Eve, or, for the day, All Saints’ Day and All Hallows.)
Joseph: It’s B’feirush in Tosfos (Avodah Zarah 2a and Sanhedrin 63b) that saints aren’t Avodah Zarah.
DY: It’s a Davar Pashut that it’s Chukas Akum. Why do you need me to tell anyone that.
Joseph: Unclear. I need to do more research on it. It’s possible that Santa Claus isn’t actually Chukas Akum because he’s a Coca-Cola invention, though I think something religious preceded that. I have to look into it.
Lefty: You know any single frum people that observe Valentine’s Day in the traditional fashion? I don’t
Of course not! I only knew it was valentines day because Joseph was keeping track.
Are people who observe Arbor day really trees?
Are people who observe Easter bunnies?
Are people who observe Lent bankers?
Are people who observe Xmas ex’s?
I would call them observant.
People who celebrate President’s day are presidents.
What about people who live in Corpus Christi,TX? What about people who have offices on Trinity Pl in Manhattan?
Joseph, what if someone moved to the former and rented office space on the latter?
I purchase chocolates and candies that are kosher half-off after the 14th. Is this assur?
In view of the tragic decision from the supreme court this past year, it is now a Hora’as Sho’oh, that better to be involved in valentine celebration and stay away from what supreme court tragically declared ok.
It’s possible that Santa Claus isn’t actually Chukas Akum because he’s a Coca-Cola invention, though I think something religious preceded that.
Wikipedia:
The modern Santa Claus is derived from the British figure of Father Christmas, the Dutch figure of Sinterklaas, and Saint Nicholas, the historical Greek bishop and gift-giver of Myra. During the Christianization of Germanic Europe, this figure may also have absorbed elements of the god Odin, who was associated with the Germanic pagan midwinter event of Yule and led the Wild Hunt, a ghostly procession through the sky.
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