February 14, 2016 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #617231
Or should we wait for an 11th mispallel?February 14, 2016 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1139339
Well can a kofer? I guess it’s the same question.February 14, 2016 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1139340
And btw joseph i’m impressed you keep track of that shmutz.February 14, 2016 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1139341apushatayidParticipant
In my shul the women are never counted for the minyan.February 14, 2016 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #1139342
We count them but they’re 2 for 1.February 14, 2016 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #1139343
Can people who do any shetut (such as posting nonsensical threads) be counted in a minyan? Saints are not avoda zara and people today certainly do not intend for it.February 14, 2016 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #1139344
Saint Valentine isn’t Avoda Zora?February 14, 2016 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1139345☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Waiting for Sam to opine whether it’s chukas akum.February 14, 2016 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #1139346
This is a ridiculous thread. There is no avoda zarah involved in this. Despite the name, it’s just a day to celebrate one’s love for another. I don’t celebrate it and don’t know any frum people that do, but even if they did, there is no religious observance connected to itFebruary 14, 2016 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #1139347
oh flatbusher your against young couples eating together but this is ok!?February 14, 2016 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1139348simcha613Participant
It’s just as bad as living in Saint Louis.February 14, 2016 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1139349
Were did you get that fromFebruary 14, 2016 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #1139350
You mean as bad as celebrating Saint Hallow’s Day.February 14, 2016 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #1139351RVMember
No! It’s as bad as living in Saint Augusta, if that sounds any different.February 14, 2016 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #1139352
Or having the portly fellow with the white beard come in his red rekel on Saint Nicholas Day to distribute tzedaka to all the kid’s red stockings.February 14, 2016 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #1139353
Lefty: How do you compare it? If someone wants to buy flowers or chocolate for his wife as an expression of love, how is that like couples getting very familiar with each other?February 14, 2016 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #1139354WolfishMusingsParticipant
Oh, for heaven’s sake.
Look, I’m a huge romantic. People on these boards have bashed me for that, but that’s who I am. And, even so, I don’t celebrate Valentine’s Day, largely because of it’s Christian origin.
On the other hand, the day is, for all practical purposes, no longer really a Christian holiday in any meaningful sense of the word. As a result, I would say that those who do are certainly not engaging in avoda zara in any manner, shape or form.
Do I think it’s better if they don’t celebrate the day? Yes, I do. But should that cause them to be excluded from a minyan? Please. Let’s put it this way — there are plenty of other people I would exclude before I exclude someone who celebrates Valentine’s Day.
The WolfFebruary 14, 2016 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1139355
Flatbubusher i’m glad you have such a clean mind, but just letting you know not all the people doing that are marriedFebruary 14, 2016 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #1139356
So what, Lefty? (This is about frum Jews celebrating the day.)February 14, 2016 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm #1139357
(There’s no “Saint Hallow.” The closest names are All Hallows’ Eve and
All Saints’ Eve, or, for the day, All Saints’ Day and All Hallows.)February 15, 2016 4:32 am at 4:32 am #1139358Sam2Participant
Joseph: It’s B’feirush in Tosfos (Avodah Zarah 2a and Sanhedrin 63b) that saints aren’t Avodah Zarah.
DY: It’s a Davar Pashut that it’s Chukas Akum. Why do you need me to tell anyone that.February 15, 2016 4:40 am at 4:40 am #1139359
Do you hold its okay to have Santa Claus give the kids Chanukah gifts?February 15, 2016 4:58 am at 4:58 am #1139360Sam2Participant
Joseph: Unclear. I need to do more research on it. It’s possible that Santa Claus isn’t actually Chukas Akum because he’s a Coca-Cola invention, though I think something religious preceded that. I have to look into it.February 15, 2016 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm #1139361
Lefty: You know any single frum people that observe Valentine’s Day in the traditional fashion? I don’tFebruary 15, 2016 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #1139362
Of course not! I only knew it was valentines day because Joseph was keeping track.February 15, 2016 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1139363TheGoqParticipant
Are people who observe Arbor day really trees?February 15, 2016 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1139364☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Are people who observe Easter bunnies?
Are people who observe Lent bankers?
Are people who observe Xmas ex’s?February 15, 2016 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #1139365apushatayidParticipant
I would call them observant.February 15, 2016 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #1139366👑RebYidd23Participant
People who celebrate President’s day are presidents.February 18, 2016 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1139367
What about people who live in Corpus Christi,TX? What about people who have offices on Trinity Pl in Manhattan?February 18, 2016 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #1139368
That’s passive. Celebrating is active.February 18, 2016 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1139369
Joseph, what if someone moved to the former and rented office space on the latter?February 18, 2016 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #1139370dovrosenbaumParticipant
I purchase chocolates and candies that are kosher half-off after the 14th. Is this assur?February 19, 2016 5:13 am at 5:13 am #1139371147Participant
In view of the tragic decision from the supreme court this past year, it is now a Hora’as Sho’oh, that better to be involved in valentine celebration and stay away from what supreme court tragically declared ok.February 28, 2016 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1139372
It’s possible that Santa Claus isn’t actually Chukas Akum because he’s a Coca-Cola invention, though I think something religious preceded that.
The modern Santa Claus is derived from the British figure of Father Christmas, the Dutch figure of Sinterklaas, and Saint Nicholas, the historical Greek bishop and gift-giver of Myra. During the Christianization of Germanic Europe, this figure may also have absorbed elements of the god Odin, who was associated with the Germanic pagan midwinter event of Yule and led the Wild Hunt, a ghostly procession through the sky.
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