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  • #1213197
    Lightbrite
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    It’s the first time that I’ve heard of someone doing that as well.. and the first time I heard someone refer to a frum Jew as a 613er

    #1213198
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    I didn’t mean Frum Jew. I just didn’t want to spell out what I meant on a public website.

    #1213199
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Why should I care if the person sitting next to me is Frum or not? I love all types of Jews (well except mean ones).

    #1213200
    Lightbrite
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    Oh. My guess was that you wanted to sit next to someone frum because of tznius, lack of lashon hara (or at least the language would be somewhat censored), maybe that person knows your beshert, the person may also order a special kosher hashgacha, and you can talk devrei Torah on the plane.

    #1213201
    Lightbrite
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    Aha!!! There is a reason…

    In today’s parsha class we learned that every nation that neglected family and home life disappeared in history, such as the Romans.

    Hashem wanted us to slaughter the Pascal lamb at home because that is where kiddusha begins.

    For cultures that put family life last, they don’t last.

    So… wouldn’t the airplane childfree zones be a reflection of the society’s values?

    In other words, are they not putting business and comfort in front of family and integration of generations?

    #1213202
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    LB, that was Joseph’s point. But as other posters pointed out, and I think I agree, that is not necessarily the point. It would be one small section of the plane for those people who need to sleep or work and are easily distracted. It doesn’t hurt the family or children in any way.

    What could be a problem is if it becomes so common for people to choose that section of the plane and it leads to discrimination against children and people start to really look negatively at people flying with kids.

    But as long as it is kept to one small section of the plane, it shouldn’t be a big problem. And I think that section should cost significantly more in order to avoid those problems. This way, people will realize that the norm is that people fly with kids.

    #1213203
    CTLAWYER
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    Lightbrite……….

    “In other words, are they not putting business and comfort in front of family and integration of generations?”

    It’s not an either or situation.

    When I fly for business purposes and NEED to work on the plane it is not putting business and comfort ahead of family. It is being able to do the business that supports the family and provides for all the nice intergenerational things we do.

    All those hours spent commuting to a trial in Florida while working on the plane paid for bringing all the children and grandchildren, nieces, nephews and their families in for 10 day summer holiday/family reunion at the CTL compound.

    When I fly with my grandchildren we fly coach so as not to disturb business travelers in First Class who may have work to do.

    #1213204
    Lightbrite
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    Thanks CTLAWYER.

    That’s nice that you take your family coach to respect the space of business travelers.

    Yes I know that airplane travel used to be for business people and geared towards a different population. Now everyone flies. Different atmosphere.

    Lilmod Ulelamaid: Lol thank you (!)

    It took me, what one day?, to go from reading Joseph’s first point which sounded extreme to pretty much wondering the same thing myself. Well then.

    New day.

    Yes this is a grey area.

    Thank you for reminding me that life is colorful 🙂

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