Current events and Sanhedrin 97b

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  • June 10, 2013 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #609600

    coffee addict
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    I know I said I hope not to post here anymore (and I haven’t for 5 months) but I find this appropriate to current events

    The Gemara in Sanhedrin (97b) states according to R Yehoshua that if Bnei Yisrael don’t do teshuva, Hashem will send a king worse than Haman and Bnei Yisrael will do Tshuva so that Moshiach will come. So I was thinking maybe this applies to this government (Israel) with all the gezeiros coming out. How is this government worse than Haman you ask? Haman wanted to destroy our bodies while this government wants to destroy our neshamos by taking people away from talmud torah, permitting WoW etc.

    any thoughts?

    June 11, 2013 12:35 am at 12:35 am #958109

    writersoul
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    Ooooooohhh…

    Will be sticking around to see what happens HERE…

    Ka-BOOM!

    June 11, 2013 12:35 am at 12:35 am #958110

    coffee addict
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    additionally, just like haman wanted to destroy bnei yisrael and wasnt sucsessful so to lapid wont be sucsessful in drafting bnei torah, also lapids the one calling for the decrees like haman not netanyahu, who is like achashverosh, im trying to think of more paralells as im going

    June 11, 2013 12:49 am at 12:49 am #958111

    zahavasdad
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    Any group that holds a event against the wishes of the Gedolim , Publishes forged letters from them and allows signs insulting them are exactly the ones that need to do Tshuva

    June 11, 2013 1:22 am at 1:22 am #958112

    WIY
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    zahavasdad

    “Any group that holds a event against the wishes of the Gedolim”

    That part isnt true as there were other Gedolim who were pro like Rav Auerbach and Rav Dovid Soloveitchik. Additionally that group considers their own leadership as the authority and do their own thing and dont care what Litvish/Yeshivish Rabbonim have to say on the matter.

    June 11, 2013 1:58 am at 1:58 am #958113

    dabeen
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    zahavasdad.

    As WIY wrote, there were many Gedolim pro the event, in addition to what WIY wrote, R’ Elya Ber, and ( I heard) R’ Malkiel. Its wrong to say that whoever went didnt listen to the Gedolim.

    June 11, 2013 2:24 am at 2:24 am #958114

    akuperma
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    In the time of Haman, we concluded the gezerah was from Ha-Shem, as it covered all the Jews, and we responded by davening, fasting and learning.

    Inthe time of the Misyavanim and their Greek allies, since the gezerah was only against Torah (the Greeks loved Jews who gave up mitsvos), we concluded that couldn’t be from Ha-Shem, and responded with “this world” sorts of actions.

    June 11, 2013 2:33 am at 2:33 am #958115

    Josh31
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    Even if the Yesh Atid agenda went thru (which is unlikely), there would still be far more Torah learning than ever was under the most benign Arab rule in history.

    June 11, 2013 2:47 am at 2:47 am #958116

    Josh31
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    “and we responded by davening, fasting and learning.”

    And appealing to the King for permission to stand up for ourselves against the non Jewish enemy.

    And fighting the enemy on the 13th of Adar.

    June 11, 2013 3:33 am at 3:33 am #958117

    Oh Shreck!
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    Coffee, WB. You know EXACTLY when to re-join!!

    Watch this big one!!! <<Fireworks>>

    June 11, 2013 3:45 am at 3:45 am #958118

    midwesterner
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    Nice to see Z-dads sudden newfound respect for the gedolim!

    June 11, 2013 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #958119

    Oh My Gosh
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    ZDad, R’ Elya Ber Vachtfoigel personally vouched for the letter………… Get your facts straight!

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