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  • #608728

    am23
    Participant

    Hey,

    Do you know maybe an english speaking yeshiva for beginners affiliated to the Edah Haredit, in the US, Europe or Israel?

    Pessah kasher vesameah

    am23

  • #943619

    Not really affiliated with the Edah, more Litvish, but quite chareidi: Marbeh Torah in Bnei Brak.

    Not quite for absolute beginners, but relative beginners yes.

    Also I know Belz have a yeshiva for BTs in Jerusalem.

    Anyway, for current recommendations, you need to find someone in the know in Yerushalayim. Plenty of Americans in the Edah world there.

  • #943620

    am23
    Participant

    Thank you very much.

    What is the difference between marbeh torah and another haredi and litvishe yeshiva?

    Do you know if the belz yeshiva for BT is an english speaking yeshiva?

    Ps: This is exactly what I need but this is difficult to find online.

  • #943622

    rebdoniel
    Member

    Marbeh Torah is top notch. So is Ohr Somayach and Aliyos Shmuel.

  • #943623

    am23
    Participant

    thanks !

    No affiliation to the Edah for marbeh torah or midrash shmuel?

  • #943624

    rebdoniel
    Member

    The “Edah” is a non-Anglo religious entity, largely, that does beit din, hashgacha, etc.

    I don’t understand what you mean by a yeshiva affiliated with a particular beit din,etc.

    You seem ignorant on this.

    My advice would be for you to seek out a BT yeshiva, like the ones I mentioned, or Shappells, or any of the others.

  • #943625

    am23
    Participant

    No no I’m not ignorant on this. I mean affiliated to a community affiliated to the Edah… I thought it was implicit.

    What about the bt belz yeshiva? Is it english speaking?

  • #943626

    rebdoniel
    Member

    I know many people who became hozer be teshuva and they’ve asked the Gavad Weiss where to learn, and he’s suggested the Litvish BT yeshivos, like Ohr Somayach.

    If I were to pursue this course of action, I’d take college Hebrew for 2 years, go to Ohr Somayach for 5-6 years, and then go to Marbeh Torah.

  • #943627

    am23
    Participant

    Thank you very much. I totally agree with you.

    Do you know litvishe bt yeshivoths in America?

  • #943628

    Well if you’re looking for an Ashkenaz yeshiva for beginners I’d say Shappel’s or Ohr Sameach (they have a variety of programs for both beginner and more advanced. Heard great things about their Derech program), if you’re looking for a Sefardi yeshiva, Mikdash Melech is probably the top english-speaking Sefardi yeshiva in Israel, and although it’s not such a beginner yeshiva, they do have a pretty low shiur, and they have a reputation for producing bnei Torah who go off to other big mainstream yeshivas (incuding Mir, Lakewood, R’Tzvi Kaplan, Kol Torah, and even Brisk)

  • #943629

    rebdoniel
    Member

    Shor Yoshuv and Ohr Somayach in Monsey.

    Are you a BT or a ger or both?

  • #943630

    am23
    Participant

    Thank you Rabbi Perfect.

    I was raised modern orthodox so I am not really a BT (nor ger).

    I have never been in a yeshiva but I study halakha in a secular school. My level in guemara is still pretty low.

  • #943631

    rebdoniel
    Member

    If you can read Hebrew already, you can probably enter the intermediate division of Ohr Somayach, and after a year or two, get into the Mir.

  • #943632

    am23
    Participant

    I can read but I do not understand it.

    In America, only shor yushuv and ohr somayach?

  • #943633

    rebdoniel
    Member

    That is about it in America, sadly.

  • #943634

    am23
    Participant

    Thank you.

    Just one more thing. Do you know which of those yeshivoths allow wigs for women? I just know that Midrash Shmuel does not allow it and I am not even sure about that.

  • #943635

    abra cadabra
    Participant

    Why wouldn’t a yeshiva allow the yeshivaleits wives to wear a wig??

  • #943636

    rebdoniel
    Member

    am23,

    You don’t seem to have been acculturated too well.

    Why would a yeshiva generally take a stance on kissui harosh? That is an issue addressed by the poskim, with Hakham Ovadia Yosef, Rabbi AL Shteinman, and others not allowing peah nochrit.

    I don’t see what wigs have to do with your interest in yeshivot.

  • #943638

    am23
    Participant

    My last message has been deleted.

    Anyway, I just wanted to know if wearing a wig was frowned upon or not in the yeshiva community. That’s all. I guess that in a toldos aharon yeshiva, it would not be easy to wear one.

    So here is my question again. In all the yeshivoths quoted in this topic, in which one it would be the hardest to wear a wig.

  • #943639

    Nechomah
    Participant

    am23 – I think the point is that NOT ONE PERSON in the yeshivos mentioned here or actually anywhere wears a wig. The rabbonim in the yeshivos teach Torah. You have to pick your Rov who is someone you go to for halachic issues. If you are against a woman wearing a wig, then make sure that your Rov holds that way and then you will make sure to find a shidduch with a girl who does not care about wearing a wig. There are plenty of girls, even baalei teshuvah, who do not care about wigs.

    Just as an aside, any yeshiva associated with Toldos Aharon is not going to be for a baal teshuvah.

  • #943640

    abra cadabra
    Participant

    Nechomah: We don’t pick a Rov based on what we want to do and then go about finding a Rov who will allow what we want.

  • #943641

    rebdoniel
    Member

    If you follow R’ Yosef, R’ Elyashiv, R’ Shteinman, etc. your wife wouldn’t wear a wig.

    There are those who hold a wig is good, and those (myself included) who don’t.

  • #943642

    am23
    Participant

    Thanks

    I understand that. Regarding the yeshivoth quoted in this topic, if I understand well, there is not one stricter than another?

  • #943643

    kollel_wife
    Member

    It sounds like you are looking for a Baal Teshuva Yeshiva that is very Chareidi.

    I don’t know if one exists or if readers here are familiar with such.

    We are familiar with Ohr Sameyach in Eretz Yisroel or in Monsey, Does anyone know is there still a Kol Yaakov in Monsey? There’s also Machon Shlomo in Eretz Yisroel, I think.

    These yeshivos are not chasidishe and many of the Rabbaim’s wives will wear wigs.

    The Belz yeshiva mentioned might be more relevant. Also, to gain skills you can try one of these yeshivos, and then go from there someplace you’d call “more chareidi.”

    Good luck to you.

  • #943644

    am23
    Participant

    Yes the belz yeshiva might be more relevant but it seems difficult to have any information about this yeshiva.

    I am not especially looking for a hassidic yeshiva, a mitnaged yeshiva may be more appropriate. Rav Shteinman or Rav Elyashiv zal: mitnagdim and against wigs.

    do you think this is the same for marbeh torah and midrash shmuel?

    Thank you for the advices!

  • #943645

    OneOfMany
    Member

    I know a few Medrash wives and they all wear sheitlach. just sayin.

  • #943647

    Nechomah
    Participant

    AC – Yes, I am aware that we don’t go shopping for a psak or for a Rov who will give us such a psak, but it seems that he wants a yeshiva that will give him piskei halacha, which is not really the job of the yeshiva to do. If he doesn’t want his wife to wear a sheitel, then he should stipulate that when going out on shidduchim. If he doesn’t want his Rov to tell his wife that his own wife wears a sheitel, so it’s OK to wear one, then he should pick a Rov who holds like this for himself.

    I had experience with this as far as my husband’s Rov’s wife does not wear a sheitel, but I was not prepared to go without for the rest of my life, but he told my husband (before we closed the shidduch) that his own mother and the Brisker wives (my husband and his Rov are Briskers) all wear sheitels, so it’s OK for me to wear one also. Simply the Rov’s mother-in-law did not wear a sheitel, so her daughter also does not. His daughters also do not, but it is OK for his talmidim’s wives to wear them.

    This whole issue of sheitels has not one thing to do with learning in a Brisker yeshiva, as their limudim have to do with korbonos and kodshim, so no learning about sheitels in that yeshiva. This is an issue for a Rov or one’s personal feelings in the matter.

    If the bochur wants to learn in Ohr Somaych or Aish HaTorah or any of the other BT yeshivas – BTW – I would not recommend a Belz yeshiva if he thinks a misnaged yeshiva would be more appropriate because they probably want people going there who have some connection to Belz chassidus and will be Belzer chassidim, not simply because of the sheitel issue. I also happen to know a lot of Belzer wives who do, in fact, wear sheitels.

  • #943648

    am23
    Participant

    Nechomah, thank you (again) for your message. For me ideology is really important. For example, this is why I do not want to study in an Aish hatorah yeshiva because I think it is too much zionist for me (once again: please no debate about the zionist nature of Aish hatorah, I know some people believe Aish is not really zionist). I want to choose a yeshiva where I could feel comfortable.

  • #943649

    charliehall
    Member

    “If he doesn’t want his wife to wear a sheitel, then he should stipulate that when going out on shidduchim.”

    I always thought that it was the woman’s job to figure out how to cover her hair in accordance with halachah, in consultation with her rabbi.

  • #943650

    abra-cadabra
    Participant

    Actually it is the husband’s job to determine the halacha and minhagim for his families observance.

  • #943651

    am23
    Participant

    please don’t start a debate over sheitel… or start another topic

  • #943652

    charliehall
    Member

    “Actually it is the husband’s job to determine the halacha and minhagim for his families observance.”

    Not if the husband isn’t a posek!

  • #943653

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    Charlie,

    I believe every thinking individual understood that abra cadabra was referring to the poskimm to consult/follow.

    And as far as minhagim that follows the husband. Not sure what that has to with a posek?!!

  • #943654

    am23
    Participant

    Regarding my topic…

    What is the strictest bt yeshiva (as would say kollel-wife “the most chareidi”)?

  • #943655

    Vogue
    Member

    Try contacting oorah. You can get a big scholarship for attending an eleven day summer camp towards attending yeshiva in Israel, including stipend. They can even help you find an appropriate Yeshiva for what you need. Even if you only get the financial grant for shana aleph, the camp will help you learn about the chareidi community in a kiruv environment, and I feel it would be very beneficial to you. Don’t rely on people from this website to give you advice if they have never, at least, spoken to you on the phone about your life. Its totally worth it. They have an office in Lakewood, I know a lot of girls and some guys who got tuition assistance from oorah and it made a big difference financially for them for their year in seminary/ yeshiva.

  • #943657

    am23
    Participant

    Thank you.

    I ask my question again:

    Regarding my topic…

    What is the strictest bt yeshiva (as would say kollel-wife “the most chareidi”)?

  • #943658

    I replied with an extensive post on Friday but it was deleted by the mods….

    The answer: Marbeh Torah, absolutely. You cannot even compare it with Aish or Or Somayach. Anyone familiar with MT can confirm, but most people in that circle don’t have internet.

  • #943659

    am23
    Participant

    Why was it deleted?

    Thank you a lot. What about midrash shmuel or the yeshivoth in the US?

  • #943660

    rebdoniel
    Member

    Marbeh Torah is not for the very beginner, though.

    You need to have some background prior to going there.

    What may suit you would be spending a year in Ohr Somayach and then going to Marbeh Torah for 2-3 years. MT was highly recommended to me by many roshei yeshiva.

  • #943661

    I agree with rebdoniel on that. You don’t need a lot of background, but you do need some. Learning there means being dropped right into a very serious environment in Bnei Brak. It’s not for everyone.

    I don’t know those other places so well.

  • #943662

    am23
    Participant

    I am not a baal teshuva, my family is modern orthodox and I have a background, but a small one. Do you think it can be good for Marbeh Torah?

    Also, can you give me more information about Mikdash melech and the Belz BT yeshiva.

    Thanks for all your answers.

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