How do you translate your Hebrew name?

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  • #592074

    dunno
    Member

    ex. Chana to Hannah

    Avraham to Abraham

  • #1034271

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Shira to Shira Princess of Power

  • #1034272

    coffee addict
    Participant

    SJS I hope that’s not on your birth certificate

    Moshe to Mo usually (it gets annoying when a goy says mo-SHE)

  • #1034273

    oomis
    Member

    Lambie

  • #1034274

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    LOL its a joke. I don’t have an english name and people pronounce it correctly.

    However, I always hated having one name, so I made sure my kids have two hebrew AND two english names so they have choices.

    If you are interested they are:

    Meir Pinchas = Logan Paul

    Akiva Dan = Cody Daniel

    We call them Logan and Cody.

  • #1034275

    coffee addict
    Participant

    I know Yekkes give their kids names that don’t fully match like that (wouldn’t mark be better for meir)

  • #1034276

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    I’m half Yekke!

    Logan was one of the few names my husband and I could agree on. We debated on Michael but there are too many Michaels where we live.

  • #1034277

    bpt
    Participant

    I got lucky. My name is a Hebrew and secular name, so I’ve only got one. Spelling /accent is slilgly differnt in each, but my office / clients seem to have gotten the hang of the hebrew pronounciation. Besides, we’ve got some other ethnic people (India, Far East) with some real tounge-twister names, so my name is a cinch.

    My boys have the expected bridges (Avrumi – Abraham, Yitzy = Issac, ect)

    Though, since the topic of Yekkies was raised, in HS, we had several who had names that purposly had no obvious link to the hebrew ones. I remenber (Zelig was Bruce, Abba was Thomas, ect)

    Apparently, that’s thier shitta.

    But if I had to do it all over, I would not give my boys secular names. My co-workers / clients can get around just fine with thier ethnic names. Times have changed since the 60s and 70s, and ethnic names are no longer an obstacle in business.

  • #1034278

    TheGadol
    Member

    Any good secular interpretations for Pinchas? Secular jews and non-jews have the hardest time pronouncing it!

  • #1034279

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    My parents weren’t frum when I was born*, and hence I have an English name and a Hebrew name.

    As I grew up, I found that there were discrepancies in what people thought their Hebrew names were and what they actually were (including my father — from the time I was 13 until I got married at 21, I was called up to the Torah as X ben Y — but it turned out that my father’s name was Z, not Y).

    In order to prevent any such confusion for the future generations, my kids have only Hebrew names. If they (or any future generations) have any doubts as to what their names are, all they have to do is look at their birth certificates.

    The Wolf

    * I can hear some of you now saying “Ah, that explains it. He’s a ben niddah. That’s why he’s an apikorus and a rasha!” 🙂

  • #1034280

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Any good secular interpretations for Pinchas? Secular jews and non-jews have the hardest time pronouncing it!

    Phineas?

    The Wolf

  • #1034281

    squeak
    Participant

    Phineas is a bit old fashioned, hence uncommon, but it is the accepted alt for Pinchas.

  • #1034282

    Poster
    Member

    i have an nglish name that slightly resembles my hebrew name. All legal documents have this name. I only gave my children hebrew names.

  • #1034283

    TheGadol
    Member

    Any good secular interpretations for Pinchas? Secular jews and non-jews have the hardest time pronouncing it!

    Phineas?

    The Wolf

    The only reason for switching to a secular name is so that people don’t scratch their head in bafflement whenever they hear it. I want people to focus on me and not get sidetracked with my “strange” name. Adopting the name Phineas is unlikely to improve things much.

  • #1034284

    squeak
    Participant

    Pinhead, then.

  • #1034285

    some pinchases use philip

  • #1034286

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    The only reason for switching to a secular name is so that people don’t scratch their head in bafflement whenever they hear it. I want people to focus on me and not get sidetracked with my “strange” name. Adopting the name Phineas is unlikely to improve things much.

    Fair enough.

    Phineas, however, IS the Anglicized form of Pinchas. If you’re not looking for the Anglicized equivalent, then feel free to choose any “P” name — Phillip, Peter and Paul all come to mind as names of Jews that I either know or related to.

    The Wolf

  • #1034287

    there really is no “official” english form for any Hebrew name. there is no “proper” translation. there is for some names a particular english abberation of the Hebrew name which is more common and thus more accepted by the non Jewish world. generally this has come about because that’s how the name was mispronounced by the translators of the “new” testament. art scroll generally uses those mistranslations in their english versions. that always bothered me but im sure they have their reasons. i would much prefer to see Avrohoms son be translated as Yitzchak than Isaac.

  • #1034288

    oomis
    Member

    My children were not given secular names. One of them has a problem because the name has a ch in it, and the name is always mispronounced. So be it.

  • #1034289

    tomim tihye
    Member

    In my experience, Yekkes have no definite tradition regarding mismatching their names. Many of the older Yekkes have German names related to their Hebrew names (e.g. Leo for Yehuda, Julius for Yoel, Max for Meir, etc.).

  • #1034290

    bpt
    Participant

    “an apikorus and a rasha!” 🙂 “

    Chas v’sholom! An ax to grind with us black hatters, maybe. But honestly wolf, I’m no stranger to sarcasm, but I think you’re a bit over the top the last few posts. I mean, c’mon, not destined for olam habbah?

    If I’ve learned nothing else from my asociation with the CR, its that BTs are just as genuine as the FFBs. We may see things differently, but to say that some of us are going to heck? PLease.

  • #1034291

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    An ax to grind with us black hatters

    No ax. I have no problem with people who want to wear a black hat. My son wears one and it’s perfectly fine with me. My other son doesn’t — and that’s also fine with me.

    The Wolf (who, for the record, does not own an ax)

  • #1034292

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    “an apikorus and a rasha!” 🙂 “

    Fair enough. But there *are* those who do believe that.

    The Wolf

  • #1034293

    HennyK
    Member

    Hebrew names are perfectly OK as long as they aren’t hard to pronounce.

    In business I deal with people from all ends of the spectrum including people of foreign countries with foreign names too.

    A common solution is to shorten the name. Pnchas can be Pinny or Penny…

  • #1034294

    Dr. Pepper
    Member

    Slightly off the main topic.

    Mattisyahu (the singer) was named Feivish Hershel and given the secular name of Matthew Paul.

    When he grew up his Hebrew name was forgotten and he took the name Mattisyahu.

    Eventually the certificate from his bris was located but he was told to continue using Mattisyahu since that’s what he grew up with.

  • #1034295

    HennyK
    Member

    BTW a good way to translate a name is to go according 2 the meaning. it an be a bit hard but you could be far fetch…

  • #1034296

    minyan gal
    Member

    The custom that I grew up with was giving an English with the same initial as the Hebrew one – therefore, my daughter Avigayil has Abigail on her birth certificate. As she was named after a man named Abba, we asked our Rabbi for a feminine equivalent and this one was of a few that he suggested. My grandkids are named in a similar fashion – Yakov Shmuel is Joshua Kevin (the Shmuel he is named after had a “K” first name) and Binyamin Mattityahu is Benjamin Matthew.

  • #1034297

    bpt
    Participant

    Off topic? Thank you for bringing up the topic. I’m a huge fan of Matisyahu, but did not see how I could broach the subject.

    In fact, it sort of is on topic. Wether you love or hate his music, he’s a prime example of how in today’s marketplace, you do not need to sugarcoat your reliegous / ethnic persona. If he can travel the world with laanga paiyos, beard and huge yarmulka, so can I.

    I still remember the days of davening mincha at a phone booth. It taxi drivers / bike messengers can drop to the mat in the middle of NYC, I can hold a siddur in my hand without feeling ashamed.

  • #1034298

    Sister Bear
    Member

    I only have a Hebrew name and it has a ch in it. I have been to the doctors office where they called it with a j. 🙂 I should probably go by my middle name which is way easier to pronounce. 😉

  • #1034299

    squeak
    Participant

    BP Totty

    Member

    in today’s marketplace, you do not need to sugarcoat your reliegous / ethnic persona. If he can travel the world with laanga paiyos, beard and huge yarmulka, so can I.

    Yes, it seems that you can dress however you please if you sell out on the underlying culture.

  • #1034300

    bpt
    Participant

    “My son wears one and it’s perfectly fine with me. My other son doesn’t”

    We have that much in common. In my lineup, Son # 1 is a cool dude, while son 3 is what we lovingly call our lakewood greaseball.

    All basicaly on the same track as me, just all different.

  • #1034301

    bpt
    Participant

    “sell out on the underlying culture”

    Yom mean the Jamacian accent? That’s an act. Alot like Lipa S, when he raps. But when he davens or bentches, he’s just like you and me (ok, maybe not like you, but like me). And if you really must know, Matisyahu goes to great lengths to keep as much yiddishkeit as he can. He is very makppid on negiah and arrainges for minyan whenever possible. For many years, the “jewish face” of hollywood / media was woody allen or steven speilberg and folks like that. By any measure (other than the rasta accent) he does a fine job of showing the world how jews are a part, and at the same time, apart, from secular society. Time was, the only photo of a yid with a beard appeared in the news, he was dong the perp walk. I think this is better PR.(Plus, his songs are really cool, once you make peace with the accent)

    Point is, these very visible people prove that us yidden do not need to dress down / change names anymore. (

  • #1034302

    apushatayid
    Participant

    I’ve worked with a Shaniqua, a Xioun, a Lie-Jen an Ionnis and an Abdelardo. If I have to learn to call them by their names, they should have to learn how to pronounce Yerachmiel Getzel (no its not my real name – but it is the name of a co-worker who chose to go by the name Adam).

  • #1034303

    i know an east indian woman named “sneh”

  • #1034304

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    I think if you have a name that is unpronouncable in the local culture (for the most part, that means any CH sounds), you should provide an easier to pronounce nickname or alternative.

    Yerachmiel could go by Yera.

    I have plenty coworkers (mainly Indian) who choose an easier to pronounce name because theirs are really difficult.

  • #1034305

    apushatayid
    Participant

    The local culture can get the “ch” sound if they tried. Ever hear anyone in the local culture clear their throat and have it sound like a “k” sound? 🙂

  • #1034306

    Mayan_Dvash
    Member

    My BC and other docs have my transliterated Hebrew name: Yosef. Where I work, I tell people they can call me “Yossi” figuring that it’s easier than Yosef and anyway, that’s what e/o else calls me. My name has been pronounced YO see, YO she, YAH see…

    I’ve worked with an offshore contact by the name “Sheetal.” Perhaps her hair was used in some wigs around town. 😉

  • #1034307

    bpt
    Participant

    Last night, I saw a trucking company called Shekhinah (wonder what the payload was).

    But my all time favortive was a family I sat across from on the train a few years ago. The little boy was fidgeting and fussing and the mother said, “Hashem, sit still!)

    I kid you not.

  • #1034308

    apushatayid
    Participant

    my all time favorite name story occured when I was first introduced to a coworker who had the name Yaw Wa (there was a last name too) on the nameplate, I was all tongue tied trying to say nice to meet you, er uh Ya when she cut me off, “ita Amy”!.

  • #1034309

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    My favorite strange names are Nimrod and Dathan.

    Yerachmiel can be Rocky

  • #1034310

    dvorak
    Member

    I know some non-Jews who use more American-sounding names as opposed to their own, and they’ve never corresponded. Satayund goes by Alex, and Mohammed goes by Shawn. As for Jews, I find that not only do the names generally correspond (or at least start with the same letter) but there are certain pairs that seem to always go together. The 2 I can think of off the top of my head: Most Baruchs I know go by Brian and most Mordechais I know go by Marc (when at work or around people who can’t pronounce the ‘ch’ properly).

  • #1034311

    emoticon613
    Member

    or you could just tell them what your name means in english – try introducing yourself as ‘tired princess’ or ‘the father of a people, son of my right hand’ or the more conventional ‘song’ ‘spring’ or ‘compassionate (that one can go for both genders…)’

    just kidding. 😉

    seriously though, i don’t think it would kill anyone to say something that they’re not familiar with. i think many of us are just uncomfortable with our names in a secular setting — hello!!!!! you’re jewish, BE PROUD OF IT!!!!!

    my own personal opinion on the subject.

  • #1034313

    I can’t stand my English name. It does match my Hebrew name pretty well, but I don’t like it. Whenever I get around to legally changing my last name (to my husband’s), I’m also going to legally change my first name– although not to my Hebrew name, but to my English middle name, which I actually like.

  • #1034314

    (RebYidd23)
    Participant

    I don’t translate. I don’t even know what my name means.

  • #1034315

    Redleg
    Participant

    Hebrew names spelled in English are still Hebrew names. For instance, the Poster above remarked that her daughter’s “English” name, Abigail, was selected because it starts with the same phoneme as her Hebrew name, Avigayil. Abigail and “Avigayil” are the same name. Her Hebrew name and her “English” name are the same, just spelled in different alphabets. Many people in America have Biblical (I.E. Hebrew) names. Some of them might sound silly to us like Nimrod or Balaam but, nevertheless, they are Hebrew names, just spelled in English. Also note that using a name from the local culture or language in addition to one’s Hebrew name is not a modern phenomenon. The practice goes back to Golus Bavel, for instance, the name Zerubavel isn’t Hebrew. Many of the Chachmei haGemorah had both Hebrew and Aramaic names.

    P.S. Phineas is actually Latin for Pinchas.

    P.P.S. An alternative to anglicizing Hebrew names is to just use the initials. My name is Alter Yoseif but in English i’m just A.J.

  • #1034316

    amaaretz
    Participant

    I’ve always had a hard tine trying to translate my name – Am Haaretz – into something normal. I’m not sure why my parents chose this name for me, or why I’m named after this particular great-great grandfather, but that’s just how it is.. So when speaking to a Goy I try to explain my name using words like “clueless”, “dumb” and the like. I usually get my point through once I say “Barack Obama”. Speaking of which, with all the ISIS hype going on now, are we forgetting our dear president’s middle name, Hussein? I like to refer to him as Barack Inssein Obama.

  • #1034317

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Whenever I introduce myself to non-Jews their reactions are invariably “What kind of name is Exempt but Forbidden?”

  • #1034318

    amaaretz
    Participant

    PAA

    Really?? I would’ve thought they’d ask “What does Avul mean?”

  • #1034319

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “PAA

    Really?? I would’ve thought they’d ask “What does Avul mean?””

    That’s when I introduce myself to Jews. And the name is Aval not Avul.

  • #1034320

    squeak
    Participant

    How do you spell I told you so?

  • #1034321

    yehudayona
    Participant

    So should someone named Malka introduce herself as Queen?

  • #1034322

    oyyoyyoy
    Member

    I don’t think i attack people often. More of a live and let live kinda guy. But you know what grinds my gears? Jews with english names. Wasn’t lo shinu es shmum a big zchus for yetzias mitzrayim?

    What about malbusham and lishonam you ask? good question, im not sure. i have a few thoughts but no time

  • #1034323

    (RebYidd23)
    Participant

    It’s okay to have 10 names.

  • #1034324

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    oyyoyyoy:

    See Igros Moshe O.C. 4:66

    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=920&st=&pgnum=118 it goes on to the next page. The most pertinent part is the end which I will quote here for you:

    ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ??”? ???”? ?”? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ?”? ?”? ????? ?? ??? ?? ????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ????”? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ????”? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ?”? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???”? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ?????????

  • #1034325

    writersoul
    Member

    My family is very into English names because my mom grew up with her whole family called only by their English names. My dad’s side is all Hebrew names so we compromised. While I’m technically called by my Hebrew name, until this year I was basically called 50/50 by my Hebrew and English names as my Hebrew name is difficult for Americans to pronounce. (I love Israel! Everyone can pronounce my name!) One sister with a similarly annoying name is also basically called 50/50, a third sister has only one name because it’s a very typical name, and my brother has a really random English name that nobody uses (his Hebrew name was after somebody but his English name was after somebody else- it went out of fashion about thirty years ago).

    My dad works with a lot of Indian people and while most of them do go by their regular (unusual, long, and ethnic) names legally, 99% of them go by nicknames IRL (Saravanakumar is Sar, for example). The Jewish people all go by English names, though.

    I would go totally by my Hebrew name if it were less prone to mangling by the average American. (If I move to Israel though… Reason #23047.)

  • #1034327

    oyyoyyoy
    Member

    thanks again paa

  • #1034328

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “thanks again paa”

    What was the first time?

  • #1034329

    Randomex
    Member

    The 2nd post in this thread was:

    Shira to Shira Princess of Power

    In the 4 years since then, I wonder how many have gotten that.

  • #1034330

    Hi, (shake, thump)- I’m I Will Open with a Harp. Nice to meet y’all! And you are…?

  • #1034331

    Eftach bhinor means that (I think). ‘evtachbchinor’ means I trust my harp /violin / lyre.

  • #1034332

    Randomex
    Member

    LF is correct. It’s not too late to start over, “evtach” – you’ve only posted about 7 times.

  • #1034333

    Sorry- thanks LF and Randomex for your constructive criticism. How can I change my name, then, to eftach bchinor? Because that’s what I really meant. Anyways, Randomex, you’re right. It’s never too late to start over, especially this time of year, and maybe a name change will change my mazal (not sure if that’s good or bad…) And I’m just a little creeped out knowing that you’re keeping track of my humble eight postings…

  • #1034334

    Randomex
    Member

    I was thinking that you could create a new account with that name, but then I realized – you can ask a mod to change your name.

    Make a new post in this thread and put “for mod read only” at the top. Ask that they change your name because of the mistake. If they won’t do it, you can make a new account.

    As for keeping track of your posts, you’re new here and don’t know the ropes yet. Click on (almost) any user’s name next to any of their posts, and you’ll see a page with some information about them, if they’ve chosen to put it in, and 2 lists: 1 of all the threads they’ve posted in, and another of all the threads they’ve started.

    There are a few posters whose names link to something else – you just need to get a profile URL and type their name instead of the other user.

    Also, if there is a space in the user’s name, clicking on their name will take you to an error page – manually replace the spaces in their name in the page URL with dashes (-) to see their profile.

    Thank you for taking a Randomex Crash Course!

    You can find more helpful material in the “stickied” threads at the top of the Coffee Room and in this thread (and the links there):

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/just-testing-the-various-allowed-markups

  • #1034335

    cozimjewish
    Member

    Randomex – your crash course REALLY helped me. I keep going back to it if I’m unsure about something. Thank you!

  • #1034336

    Sam2
    Participant

    Sam

  • #1034338

    haifagirl
    Member

    I only have a Hebrew name and it has a ch in it. I have been to the doctors office where they called it with a j. 🙂 I should probably go by my middle name which is way easier to pronounce. 😉

    I once had to go for a test at a hospital I didn’t ordinarly frequent. The waiting room was quite crowded. Many of the women there were Polish. When the person who had been calling people out of the waiting room went out to lunch, her replacement couldn’t pronounce the Polish names. Those poor Polish women didn’t recognize their names the way she pronounced them, so she would spell them, but that really didn’t help. Luckily I used to speak a little Polish, so at least I was able to pronounce the names. She would mangle it, I would pronounce it correctly, the Polish woman would thank me and everything else proceeded as it should.

    So should someone named Malka introduce herself as Queen?

    My mother told me that when she was younger she knew a couple people named Queen Esther. There are still people around with that name. Look in any big city phone book.

  • #1034339

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ?’ ??? ?? ???? ???? (????? ??:?) ?? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? (????? ??:?) ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? (???? ?:?) ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ?? ?????

  • #1034340

    cozimjewish
    Member

    Randomex – about your previous post (and since you seem to know your way around the CR better than most:) ) how can i access a profile if it says “user not found” and what does this mean? Also, I know I might come across as slow – and for the record, I am usually great at figuring out abbreviations, so this is quite embarrassing – but what does URL stand for?

  • #1034341

    Randomex
    Member

    Randomex - your crash course REALLY helped me. I keep going back to it if I'm unsure about something. Thank you!

    And thank you for the positive feedback! B’li neder,

    thread on the subject (feedback) coming soon!

  • #1034342

    Randomex
    Member

    Shira Princess of Power explanation: “She-Ra: Princess of Power” was a children’s cartoon in the ’80s.

    (While cozimjewish won’t need the content below, it may be useful to CR archaeologists in the future.)

    “user not found” is the error page referred to in “clicking on their name will take you to an error page”.

    The thread about feedback:

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/chesed-on-the-cr

  • #1034343

    cozimjewish
    Member

    why won’t I need it?

  • #1034344

    Randomex
    Member

    I assumed you’d gotten the error information already in the “markups” thread, though I suppose you wouldn’t necessarily have remembered and identified the “Chesed” thread as the “thread on the subject of feedback” announced here. But that didn’t seem important.

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