Interrupting Shmoneh Esrei

I think halachikly it’s not proper to say out loud things that are not meacav the shemona esrei (like yaaleh veyavo, rosh chodesh, maariv). But for things that are meacav (Vesien tal umatar) you are saving people from having to repeat the entire shemonei esrei so you should say it out loud but don’t scream it

Taken from revach:

Shmoneh Esrei must be said silently. When Yaaleh V’Yavo, Al HaNissim, Mashiv HaRuach, need to be added, people often say the first few words very loud in order to remind the others not to forget. Is this proper?

The Tshuvas HaRashba holds the by Maariv the Gabbai may announce Yaaleh V’Yavo after Kaddish before Shmoneh Esrei. The Maharshal argues and holds it is assur to be mafsik. Therefore he advises that the Gabbai should start Shmoneh Esrei earlier than the Tzibbur and when he gets to Yaaleh V’Yavo he should say the words Yaaleh V’Yavo very loud. From here we learn, says the Be’er Moshe (4:10) that it is permissible for anyone, not only the Gabbai, to say the words very loud in middle of Shmoneh Esrei to remind everyone to say Yaaleh V’Yavo.

He does caution that after the first person does it, no one else should do it since the purpose has already been served. The continuous screams of “Yaaleh V’Yavo” will only disturb people’s tefila and turn davening into a big joke

Why not just have the Gabbai stand up before Shmona Esrai and say something along the lines of “everyone, please remember to say…”

Serves the same purpose and doesn’t disturb people while they are trying to pray.

I find it extremely disturbing when but so much less disturbing than a cell phone having the audacity to blare during the silent Amida, or any time during services, including a wedding I attended the other day, when people during the Chuppo let their cell phone ring during the Chuppo as they were making their way out of the Chuppo room to answer their cell phone during the chuppo.

Jewish Thinker:

. . . but when someone is going to have to redo his entire shemona esrei because he forgot yalleh vyavo and the only way to make sure it doesn’t happen is to say it out loud, it is the correct time to do it.

I strongly disagree. You’re interrupting the davening of the majority for the needs of a few individuals. If they were paying attention to their davening they wouldn’t forget the extras and changes in any amidah. It’s not your responsibility to do the reminding unless you’re the gabbai, and if you’re the gabbai, you’d find a way to remind people without creating a disturbance.

If they were paying attention to their davening they wouldn’t forget the extras and changes in any amidah.

If you were paying proper attention to your davening, you wouldn’t notice the interruption.

I wasn’t specifically referring to you, takahmamash, I was just pointing out that if we go with your approach of idealism, it’s a non-issue to begin with. If we are concerned, however, with people who are less than perfect who will be disturbed, then we should be concerned with those who are less than perfect and may forget Ya’aleh V’yavo.

There are all sorts of halachos about what to do if someone omitted Ya’aleh V’yavo; the poskim don’t simply say, “you should have paid better attention, you’re on your own now”.

Yes: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/interrupting-shmoneh-esrei#post-550892

You’re right – I hadn’t realized what you meant. It does sound

sensible to say that there is no reason for multiple people to do it.

Perhaps those people who do it after the first one does were

concentrating properly on their own tefillah and didn’t notice? 🙂

When davening, I often don’t mind the first person who says “Ya’aleh V’yavoh” in a slightly louder tone. Many a time, he has served as a reminder to me when I otherwise would have forgotten.

What annoys me is when a second person, barely a second later, does the same. Does he think that I forgot that soon after the other one did it? Or is just making a public statement of “I didn’t forget.”

The Wolf