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1. getzel1
   Adds much humor here :)

   With the current school year moving forward, the upcoming school year is of great concern to many parents, especially in the chasidisher mosdos. With registration already in full swing, many mosdos have already closed their doors for the upcoming year as the classes are already full.

   A local askan involved in the mosdes in town tells LakewoodLocal that it is estimated that there are about 20 boys and 20 girls won’t have slots in school for next year. The askan tells LakewoodLocal that few choices are available besides either opening a new boys cheder and girls school, or adding additional classes to existing schools; something some mosdos have refused to do in the past.

   With ample time left before this issue spirals out of control, askanim are hoping that lists can be drawn up that the exact amount of students are known and action can be taken.

   Another askan tells LakewoodLocal that by tackling the issue in advance hopefully it will avoid a crisis later on.

   (lakewood local)

   Posted 6 months ago #

2. bpt
   never caustic

   There's a school shortage? News to me. If you apply to the school that is right for you, in you go.

   The trick is to make the school think you are right for them.

   That's what I did, and I got in. Despite not having all the right bells and whistles.

   Remember. Image is everything, reality is nothing. With the right marketing, you could get Damien into the Lakewood Pre-K of your choice.

   Posted 6 months ago #

3. bpt
   never caustic

   And as far as lists and askonim go, the only thing this advance notice will do is key in which mosdos can spike their tution by 20%.

   Focus on the school YOU want to send your kids to, make it priority # 1,and you will get them in. Shortage or not.

   Posted 6 months ago #

4. apushatayid
   Member

   This comment is likely coming from ignorance on my part (I know NOTHING about Lakewood, its dynamics, local make up, local politics etc, I know perhaps a handful of people who live in the city and have been there no more than half a dozen times in my life)....are 20 boys (or girls) that difficult to place? How many schools are there, that dividing up 20 children among all the boys schools is cause for a potential "crisis"?

   Posted 6 months ago #

5. BTGuy
   Member

   Well, if Lakewood is, it certainly won't be for any shortage of schools.

   Posted 6 months ago #

6. getzel1
   Adds much humor here :)

   most classes are already full with 27 kids

   Posted 6 months ago #

7. Ms. Critique who may always know the answers correctly
   Member

   I hope Moshiach will be here by then!
   Where is the emunah and bitachon we are supposed to have?

   Posted 6 months ago #

8. Ice-cream uscream we all...
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   start a new campus... expand the schools. there's no reason to let jewish neshomas to be left out! when there's a will theres a way. no such thing as no room. If we make room for others in our schools hashem will expand E"Y enough for our entire nation to fit inside as the final shofar is blown bimheira!!!

   Posted 6 months ago #

9. hockaroundtheclock
   Hock n roll!

   I think it's time to start a yeshiva/kollel town on the west coast. Anybody in?

   Posted 6 months ago #

10. cshapiro
    Nothing in the world cures worry, stress, anxiety, sadness, and depression like emuna.

    idk but once we are on the topic of lakewood i need recommendations for a cleaning lady, a manicure place and a shaitel macher to name just a few...also looking for an accounting position but thats a whole nother story...:))

    Posted 6 months ago #

11. Ice-cream uscream we all...
    :::::Annoying Troll - Blocked:::::::::::

    Hock, get off here, and set it in motion, be the pioneer. there's no time to waste. speak little and do much!

    Posted 6 months ago #

12. bpt
    never caustic

    " a cleaning lady, a manicure place and a shaitel macher "

    Boy, talk about living on the outpost of civilization. How have managed so far? I guess Kollel life is not as easy as we parents think it is.

    (and note to Ice Cream: Despite the warm fuzzy post I made in your other thread, there is a sarcastic side of the CR that sometimes flares up. But that is to be taken with a teaspoon of salt, so don't let it put you off)

    Posted 6 months ago #

13. gavra_at_work
    Member

    I don't see the problem. Either go up to 28 children per class, or have the 20 that are left out open their own (new) school. I'm sure someone has some extra room, or will lend their living room for classes.

    Posted 6 months ago #

14. getzel1
    Adds much humor here :)

    with all the hocking aside
    Our Gedolim have many times said and cried out in public that much of the problem of kids at risk etc lays in the fact that our classes are overfull, yes the average class in the chasidic schools in Lakewood is over 27 kids per class, so now lets do the math, lets say there are 20 kids to place,

    There is Satmar (one class per grade,mesoras avos (one class per grade), Bais avroham (3 classes per grade),Toras emes (one class per grade)Rachmistrivk (one class per grade)Rav Wosners cheder (one class per grade)
    A total of 6 schools,and 8 classes
    if you were to place another 2 or more kids per class you will have 29 kids per a class!
    i would not want to teach or have my child in a class of 29 kids

    Posted 6 months ago #

15. getzel1
    Adds much humor here :)

    bpt
    your words are nonsense and unhelpful

    Posted 6 months ago #

16. flyer
    Member

    "Boy, talk about living on the outpost of civilization. How have managed so far? I guess Kollel life is not as easy as we parents think it is."

    I would say at this point there are more non kollel people in Lakewood than kollel.

    Posted 6 months ago #

17. gavra_at_work
    Member

    with all the hocking aside
    Our Gedolim have many times said and cried out in public that much of the problem of kids at risk etc lays in the fact that our classes are overfull, yes the average class in the chasidic schools in Lakewood is over 27 kids per class, so now lets do the math, lets say there are 20 kids to place,

    There is Satmar (one class per grade,mesoras avos (one class per grade), Bais avroham (3 classes per grade),Toras emes (one class per grade)Rachmistrivk (one class per grade)Rav Wosners cheder (one class per grade)
    A total of 6 schools,and 8 classes
    if you were to place another 2 or more kids per class you will have 29 kids per a class!
    i would not want to teach or have my child in a class of 29 kids
    

    WADR, I think there are more than 6 schools in Lakewood (although I am not sure). In addition, you (and the teachers) may not have that choice (to not have 29 children in a class). YOU can always open a new school, if you don't like it, and the Rabbaim can leave/quit.

    Finally, you did not answer why you can not open a new school in someone's home.

    Posted 6 months ago #

18. bpt
    never caustic

    " your words are nonsense and unhelpful "

    Which ones? The "kollel" slam or the "school crisis" crack?

    Either way, I'm game for a fight, because I've seen both these stories from the other side of the fence, so I know how the game is played.

    There is a school for every child. Just like there is a shidduch for every person. All you need to do is be honest with yourself and you WILL find the right match.

    -----------------------------------------------------

    " at this point there are more non kollel people in Lakewood "

    This might be true, but CS is a newlywed, so she is in all probabilty still in the kollel circut. Hence, the sarcasm.

    Posted 6 months ago #

19. bpt
    never caustic

    " and you WILL find the right match."

    Sorry, let me clarify this line. True, you may have your heart set on one school. And for no fault of your own, that school may not be willing to take you.

    But there is always a plan B. It may not have the exact profile you had in mind, but there is always another school that is within 90% of what you had hoped for.

    And the last 10% is for you to strive for. If no other reason, than to rub the loss into the face of the school that turned you down.

    I have had the pleasure of doing this a few times, and let me tell you, it feels 10 x as good as the hurt I felt when I was rejected.

    Success is the best revenge. And its not even counted as nekomah!

    Posted 6 months ago #

20. cherrybim
    Member

    "Our Gedolim have many times said and cried out in public that much of the problem of kids at risk etc lays in the fact that our classes are overfull"

    Which Gedolim might that be?

    Posted 6 months ago #

21. getzel1
    Adds much humor here :)

    bpt I will answer you later I was refering to what you wrote that the name of the game is to set ur heart etc. That causes only problems for the parent child and school.
    I have no issue you slamming kollel if you don't understand the chasivus of it.
    gavra we are talking hasidic schools
    cherribim rav nosson tzvi zatzal the noviminker ebbi shlita etc.

    Posted 6 months ago #

22. getzel1
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    gavra_at_work u wrote
    I don't see the problem. Either go up to 28 children per class, or have the 20 that are left out open their own (new) school. I'm sure someone has some extra room, or will lend their living room for classes.

    why are you so sure someone has some extra room, or will lend their living room for classes.? would u lend ur home?

    Posted 6 months ago #

23. getzel1
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    bpt
    true the issue is not always your fault,
    schools don"t always reject especially in Lakewood with a huge growth because of your profile.
    There are just not enough seats sometimes,The same way you have to take another bus or plane sometimes due to the shortage of seats, the same goes for schools, there are only x amount of openings many time due to siblings it can be 3 or 4 slots

    Posted 6 months ago #

24. gavra_at_work
    Member

    gavra we are talking hasidic schools

    Why? Will the Yeshivish schools not let the Chassidish children in? If so, we should protest, just like the Schools that don't let in Sephardim!
    
    why are you so sure someone has some extra room, or will lend their living room for classes.? would u lend ur home?
    
    If my child was in the class & was unable to go to school any other way, then yes. Also, why can't you go up to 29?

    Posted 6 months ago #

25. bpt
    never caustic

    " you have to take another bus or plane sometimes due to the shortage of seats"

    Good example, Getzel. And its my point exactly. True, it would be very convienent if you could get on the flight that all your friends are going on. And if its that important, what you need to do is book early, and not get disracted with other flights / carriers, than might have a small perk or discount. Pick the flight you want and book it without delay.

    Of course, there will be times that you cannot get the flight you want. So rather than make yourself nuts over a maybe or going on standby, get a seat on another carrier, because in the end, its not the airline you care about, its the destination.

    (Same applies for shiduchim).

    On an unrelated subject, there is a terrific essay by someone about "my trip to holland" I heard it from Mrs. Juby Shapiro, so it might be online. It really drives home the concept of making the facts you have work. Because in the end, you cannot change facts, but you can make them work to your advantage.

    As far as there being only x ammount of room and y ammount of kids, that is true; you cannot fit 30 kids in a room made for 25.

    SO BE FROM THE 25!

    We often hear that "there is 8-9% unemployment". But that means 91% of people are working! Why not be from the 91%?

    Posted 6 months ago #

26. bpt
    never caustic

    As far as slamming kollel, please tell me why a "shana rishona" needs cleaning help.

    I'm all for kollel, and what Lakewood (both new and old) is all about. As a parent of grown children, I'm as deep into the scene as the next torah parent.

    Its Fakewood I love to poke fun at.

    Posted 6 months ago #

27. gavra_at_work
    Member

    As far as slamming kollel, please tell me why a "shana rishona" needs cleaning help.

    Pashut. She is commuting to Downstate (or Upstate?) every day to get her degree in OT/PT/SP/RN/NP, and her husband is a slob. Unfortunately, she really wanted to get married, and her Chossan wanted to live in Lakewood and was brought up in a dorm since 9th grade.

    Alternatively, her mommy is paying for it in fear that if her princess does any cleaning work, she might break a nail (or her neck, due to her 6 inch Stiletto ZONAH (TM) shoes).

    Posted 6 months ago #

28. bpt
    never caustic

    "and was brought up in a dorm since 9th grade."

    Oooh, GAW did you nail it dead on.

    And while the 6" heels might be a bit over the top, the broken nail danger is clear and present.

    And these kids will be SHOCKED when the vaad of admissions says no to their child's pre-K application.

    Take your pick folks. Its Lakewood or Fakewood, but you can't have both.

    Posted 6 months ago #

29. getzel1
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    Gavra @ work
    you are right that If my child was in the class & was unable to go to school any other way,most ppl would give their home but we are a year ahead so why should the issue not be tackled correctly?

    Also, why can't you go up to 29?
    the answer is i once a asked a rebbi is there a difference between a class of 25 kids or 26 kids, he gave me a look ill never forget and said "i see u do not begin to understand what it means to teach kids, do u understand that i must teach each child Alef Bais" yes each additional child takes away the rebbis ability to teach the other children fully.

    Posted 6 months ago #

30. getzel1
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    bpt
    great points
    but not always can u be from the 25 and in our case the schools sent back the acceptance letters so now with 20 kids fighting they are fighting to get into already BOOKED schools.

    Posted 6 months ago #

31. getzel1
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    Take your pick folks. Its Lakewood or Fakewood, but you can't have both
    GREAT LINE BPT

    Posted 6 months ago #

32. gavra_at_work
    Member

    getzel1:

    1: Will the yeshivish schools not take Chassidish children?

    2: Starting a school in someone's home is normal, because it lowers costs. If they have the money to start in a storefront, Kol HaKavod. Both options are "tackled correctly", but the families affected have to do it. They can't wait back and expect others to do the work.

    As a final note, both mayself & my children have been in classes with 29 children (and did not see any detriment). I believe it depends on the quality of the Rebbe.

    Posted 6 months ago #

33. bpt
    never caustic

    " with 20 kids fighting they are fighting to get into already BOOKED schools"

    I hear you. But there HAS to be a spot for each child. Pehaps not in one single school, or maybe even among 4 schools. But there is no way each school is fully booked to capacity.

    I keep coming back to the shidduch analogy. Its not that the boy cannot make up his mind, its that he's afraid that if he commits, he might be passing up something better.

    Schools are the same way. If they say yes now, they might be boxing themselves out of scooping up a "better" kid (parents with better yichus, more $$, less of a nudnik, ect) next month.

    So the trick (and yes, trick, because is really is a game) is to present yourself (and your child) as THE CHOICE. Even if you don't have all the bells and whistles.

    I read this next line in the context of disater management / emergency preparedness, but it holds true in many life situations: Success is 10% methodolgy, 90% psychology.

    Or in our lingo, tracht gut, vet zien gut (think positive, and things will work out).

    I've been in this seat before. They are messing with your head. Mess with theirs :)

    B'hatzlacha!

    Posted 6 months ago #

34. getzel1
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    Update: Positive Action Taken in School Shortage Problem
    Since our report last week about a possible school shortage in town for next year, LakewoodLocal spoke to an askan involved who provided an update for the upcoming school year. Plans and talks are being held with a group of parents, who have turned to the Skverer Dayan Shlita. As of now it looks like Skver may open a talmud torah for the upcoming year.
    On the girls’ school scene, a new school will be opening it doors as reported here on LakewoodLocal. Keser Bais Yaakov, an elementary school, is being founded by Reb Chaim Bloom, and a High School named Bais Lea will also be opening its doors, founded by Reb Yaakov Philip, Dean of Bais Rochel.
    “May they all be matzliach with much siyata dishmaya, and hopfully this will avoid a crisis this coming year and the next few years”, said the askan.
    Posted on November 20, 2011

    Posted 6 months ago #

35. Shticky Guy
    Shtick on a Stick :)

    Today, Avraham would not have been accepted into a School, cause he's the son of Terach. But Yishmoel would cause he's Avrohom Avinu's son! Sad but probably true!

    Posted 6 months ago #

36. getzel1
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    Shticky Guy
    that was said by horav shteinman in lkwd

    but lets commend all the " new" askanim that unlike the "old" askanim that just pushed kids into classes the new askanim worked to establish new schools

    Posted 6 months ago #

37. old man
    Member

    "....But Yishmoel would cause he's Avrohom Avinu's son ....that was said by horav shteinman in lkwd "

    A comment.
    It is very sad that Rav Shteinman Shlita needed to make this statement, it is indicative of the sad state of yeshiva admission policy.

    Rav Shteinman today is just about the only godol who consistently calls out the frum veldt on hypocrisy, double standards and nepotism. I fear he is highly respected, yet ignored as soon as he makes the yeshivishe veldt a bit uncomfortable.

    May he live ad meah v'esrim and may people heed his words while he still has the strength to express them.

    Posted 6 months ago #

38. getzel1
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    Old man i agree rav shteinman is a great Gadol

    Posted 5 months ago #

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