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With the current school year moving forward, the upcoming school year is of great concern to many parents, especially in the chasidisher mosdos. With registration already in full swing, many mosdos have already closed their doors for the upcoming year as the classes are already full.
With ample time left before this issue spirals out of control, askanim are hoping that lists can be drawn up that the exact amount of students are known and action can be taken.
Another askan tells LakewoodLocal that by tackling the issue in advance hopefully it will avoid a crisis later on.
(lakewood local)
There’s a school shortage? News to me. If you apply to the school that is right for you, in you go.
The trick is to make the school think you are right for them.
That’s what I did, and I got in. Despite not having all the right bells and whistles.
Remember. Image is everything, reality is nothing. With the right marketing, you could get Damien into the Lakewood Pre-K of your choice.
And as far as lists and askonim go, the only thing this advance notice will do is key in which mosdos can spike their tution by 20%.
Focus on the school YOU want to send your kids to, make it priority # 1,and you will get them in. Shortage or not.
This comment is likely coming from ignorance on my part (I know NOTHING about Lakewood, its dynamics, local make up, local politics etc, I know perhaps a handful of people who live in the city and have been there no more than half a dozen times in my life)….are 20 boys (or girls) that difficult to place? How many schools are there, that dividing up 20 children among all the boys schools is cause for a potential “crisis”?
Well, if Lakewood is, it certainly won’t be for any shortage of schools.
I hope Moshiach will be here by then!
Where is the emunah and bitachon we are supposed to have?
start a new campus… expand the schools. there’s no reason to let jewish neshomas to be left out! when there’s a will theres a way. no such thing as no room. If we make room for others in our schools hashem will expand E”Y enough for our entire nation to fit inside as the final shofar is blown bimheira!!!
I think it’s time to start a yeshiva/kollel town on the west coast. Anybody in?
idk but once we are on the topic of lakewood i need recommendations for a cleaning lady, a manicure place and a shaitel macher to name just a few…also looking for an accounting position but thats a whole nother story…:))
Hock, get off here, and set it in motion, be the pioneer. there’s no time to waste. speak little and do much!
” a cleaning lady, a manicure place and a shaitel macher “
Boy, talk about living on the outpost of civilization. How have managed so far? I guess Kollel life is not as easy as we parents think it is.
(and note to Ice Cream: Despite the warm fuzzy post I made in your other thread, there is a sarcastic side of the CR that sometimes flares up. But that is to be taken with a teaspoon of salt, so don’t let it put you off)
I don’t see the problem. Either go up to 28 children per class, or have the 20 that are left out open their own (new) school. I’m sure someone has some extra room, or will lend their living room for classes.
“Boy, talk about living on the outpost of civilization. How have managed so far? I guess Kollel life is not as easy as we parents think it is.”
I would say at this point there are more non kollel people in Lakewood than kollel.
with all the hocking aside
Our Gedolim have many times said and cried out in public that much of the problem of kids at risk etc lays in the fact that our classes are overfull, yes the average class in the chasidic schools in Lakewood is over 27 kids per class, so now lets do the math, lets say there are 20 kids to place,
There is Satmar (one class per grade,mesoras avos (one class per grade), Bais avroham (3 classes per grade),Toras emes (one class per grade)Rachmistrivk (one class per grade)Rav Wosners cheder (one class per grade)
A total of 6 schools,and 8 classes
if you were to place another 2 or more kids per class you will have 29 kids per a class!
i would not want to teach or have my child in a class of 29 kids
WADR, I think there are more than 6 schools in Lakewood (although I am not sure). In addition, you (and the teachers) may not have that choice (to not have 29 children in a class). YOU can always open a new school, if you don’t like it, and the Rabbaim can leave/quit.
Finally, you did not answer why you can not open a new school in someone’s home.
” your words are nonsense and unhelpful “
Which ones? The “kollel” slam or the “school crisis” crack?
Either way, I’m game for a fight, because I’ve seen both these stories from the other side of the fence, so I know how the game is played.
There is a school for every child. Just like there is a shidduch for every person. All you need to do is be honest with yourself and you WILL find the right match.
” at this point there are more non kollel people in Lakewood ”
This might be true, but CS is a newlywed, so she is in all probabilty still in the kollel circut. Hence, the sarcasm.
” and you WILL find the right match.”
Sorry, let me clarify this line. True, you may have your heart set on one school. And for no fault of your own, that school may not be willing to take you.
But there is always a plan B. It may not have the exact profile you had in mind, but there is always another school that is within 90% of what you had hoped for.
And the last 10% is for you to strive for. If no other reason, than to rub the loss into the face of the school that turned you down.
I have had the pleasure of doing this a few times, and let me tell you, it feels 10 x as good as the hurt I felt when I was rejected.
Success is the best revenge. And its not even counted as nekomah!
“Our Gedolim have many times said and cried out in public that much of the problem of kids at risk etc lays in the fact that our classes are overfull”
Which Gedolim might that be?
gavra we are talking hasidic schools
Why? Will the Yeshivish schools not let the Chassidish children in? If so, we should protest, just like the Schools that don’t let in Sephardim!
why are you so sure someone has some extra room, or will lend their living room for classes.? would u lend ur home?
If my child was in the class & was unable to go to school any other way, then yes. Also, why can’t you go up to 29?
” you have to take another bus or plane sometimes due to the shortage of seats”
Good example, Getzel. And its my point exactly. True, it would be very convienent if you could get on the flight that all your friends are going on. And if its that important, what you need to do is book early, and not get disracted with other flights / carriers, than might have a small perk or discount. Pick the flight you want and book it without delay.
Of course, there will be times that you cannot get the flight you want. So rather than make yourself nuts over a maybe or going on standby, get a seat on another carrier, because in the end, its not the airline you care about, its the destination.
(Same applies for shiduchim).
On an unrelated subject, there is a terrific essay by someone about “my trip to holland” I heard it from Mrs. Juby Shapiro, so it might be online. It really drives home the concept of making the facts you have work. Because in the end, you cannot change facts, but you can make them work to your advantage.
As far as there being only x ammount of room and y ammount of kids, that is true; you cannot fit 30 kids in a room made for 25.
SO BE FROM THE 25!
We often hear that “there is 8-9% unemployment”. But that means 91% of people are working! Why not be from the 91%?
As far as slamming kollel, please tell me why a “shana rishona” needs cleaning help.
I’m all for kollel, and what Lakewood (both new and old) is all about. As a parent of grown children, I’m as deep into the scene as the next torah parent.
Its Fakewood I love to poke fun at.
As far as slamming kollel, please tell me why a “shana rishona” needs cleaning help.
Pashut. She is commuting to Downstate (or Upstate?) every day to get her degree in OT/PT/SP/RN/NP, and her husband is a slob. Unfortunately, she really wanted to get married, and her Chossan wanted to live in Lakewood and was brought up in a dorm since 9th grade.
Alternatively, her mommy is paying for it in fear that if her princess does any cleaning work, she might break a nail (or her neck, due to her 6 inch Stiletto ZONAH (TM) shoes).
“and was brought up in a dorm since 9th grade.”
Oooh, GAW did you nail it dead on.
And while the 6″ heels might be a bit over the top, the broken nail danger is clear and present.
And these kids will be SHOCKED when the vaad of admissions says no to their child’s pre-K application.
Take your pick folks. Its Lakewood or Fakewood, but you can’t have both.
getzel1:
1: Will the yeshivish schools not take Chassidish children?
2: Starting a school in someone’s home is normal, because it lowers costs. If they have the money to start in a storefront, Kol HaKavod. Both options are “tackled correctly”, but the families affected have to do it. They can’t wait back and expect others to do the work.
As a final note, both mayself & my children have been in classes with 29 children (and did not see any detriment). I believe it depends on the quality of the Rebbe.
” with 20 kids fighting they are fighting to get into already BOOKED schools”
I hear you. But there HAS to be a spot for each child. Pehaps not in one single school, or maybe even among 4 schools. But there is no way each school is fully booked to capacity.
I keep coming back to the shidduch analogy. Its not that the boy cannot make up his mind, its that he’s afraid that if he commits, he might be passing up something better.
Schools are the same way. If they say yes now, they might be boxing themselves out of scooping up a “better” kid (parents with better yichus, more $$, less of a nudnik, ect) next month.
So the trick (and yes, trick, because is really is a game) is to present yourself (and your child) as THE CHOICE. Even if you don’t have all the bells and whistles.
I read this next line in the context of disater management / emergency preparedness, but it holds true in many life situations: Success is 10% methodolgy, 90% psychology.
Or in our lingo, tracht gut, vet zien gut (think positive, and things will work out).
I’ve been in this seat before. They are messing with your head. Mess with theirs 🙂
B’hatzlacha!
Today, Avraham would not have been accepted into a School, cause he’s the son of Terach. But Yishmoel would cause he’s Avrohom Avinu’s son! Sad but probably true!
“….But Yishmoel would cause he’s Avrohom Avinu’s son ….that was said by horav shteinman in lkwd “
A comment.
It is very sad that Rav Shteinman Shlita needed to make this statement, it is indicative of the sad state of yeshiva admission policy.
Rav Shteinman today is just about the only godol who consistently calls out the frum veldt on hypocrisy, double standards and nepotism. I fear he is highly respected, yet ignored as soon as he makes the yeshivishe veldt a bit uncomfortable.
May he live ad meah v’esrim and may people heed his words while he still has the strength to express them.
Short falls dont hurt so bad.
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