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May 12, 2016 6:37 am at 6:37 am #617705I. M. ShluffinParticipant
So how does it work? Where do I find sources that discuss the halachos (or lack of halachos) regarding a Jewish woman singing in front of a non-Jew? And is there a difference when the woman does it for a job, i.e. music therapy?
May 12, 2016 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1151614charliehallParticipantThere is no prohibition whatsoever for a Jewish woman to sing, anywhere. The prohibition is for Jewish men to listen. (There are exceptions to the latter although not all of the exceptions are widely accepted.)
May 12, 2016 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #1151615Sam2ParticipantR’ Schachter might in theory agree with Charlie, but he adds an important caveat. The Gemara calls it an Ervah. So he says a Jewish woman should be as uncomfortable singing in front of non-Jewish men as she would be standing untznius* in front of them (of which there might technically be no Issur either, but the vast majority of Frum women would obviously, and correctly, be very uncomfortable doing so).
*Edited – Sam means as untznius as possible.
May 12, 2016 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #1151616Avi KParticipantCharlie, women are obligated in “lifnei iver”.
May 12, 2016 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #1151617☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAvi K is correct.
May 12, 2016 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #1151618Sam2ParticipantDY: Avi K’s point is irrelevant. Goyim are not Muzharim on Hirhurei Aveirah and therefore there is no violation of Lifnei Iver to not be Tznius in front of them.
Mods: R’ Schachter’s point was Davka. It’s not just Stam un-Tznius. I understand why it was edited, but I would appreciate if it could be fixed in a way to properly present the sentiment, because the way it reads now it is far less strong than it should be.
How’s that?
May 12, 2016 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #1151619Sam2ParticipantI think that’s good enough.
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