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Posted 3 years ago #
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The fact that it's on this year with the haskamah of Gedolim makes it a big success.
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I am getting the feeling that this "big event" concert ain't gonna be no big event, but rather a big flop.
The ads started saying that 50% of the concert was already sold out (like 3 weeks ago)....
I was listening to the Nachum Segal show the other night, and they were live in some store in Borough Park. Shea Mendlowitz and Lipa were making it sound like people better run as fast as they can to grab the last 2 tickets available in the store....
Then Lipa was on Zev Brenner saying how its almost sold out and people better run like sin to the store to get their tickets because its nearly sold out....
Now I saw on a website that they are giving out 400 free tickets to boys who learn mishnayos and get tested by their rebbi.....
Which boy can learn mishnayos in 2 days is beyond me....which rebbi will sign this paper to send their student to this concert is beyond me....
But putting that all aside for a moment.
It seems veeeeery strange that a show that is "almost sold out" is suddenly giving out four hundred, yes, four hundred free tickets to a concert a week before the show.I would understand if they gave 50 tickets out for free, but four hundred!?
I hope I am wrong here, but I smell a blow-out and not a sell-out.
It's a week to purim, and there is no way I would even think of going to a concert where tickets cost $50 (the cheapest seats) now. Purum and Pesach will cost me thousands of dollars, and time is tight (not to mention the money). If I would go it would cost me $400 in tickets for the family.
Hope I am wrong, but this don't smell too rosy.
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"haskama of gedolim"?
Name me one please.
Not three, just one.I'll spell that out for you in case you don't read well.
O-N-E
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shikur- according to your statistics, the show don't need further "boosting"- so why you so anxious to help out?
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I'm surprised there's no ban yet.
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jojo, Rav Shmuel Kaminetsky Shlit"a has publicly expressed his support for the concert and for Lipa. Here's an article:
New York - Nearly a year after the plug was pulled on his ‘Big Event’ concert at the Madison Square Garden Theater, popular Chassidic entertainer Lipa Schmeltzer and veteran Jewish music producer Sheya Mendlowitz have scheduled a new show.
They’re calling this show, simply, ‘The Event.’ First word came via a billboard on Rockaway Boulevard. It’s set for March 1 at the Garden’s WAMU Theater, and has what amounts to a seal of rabbinic approval.
“I hope they should have hatzlacha,” said Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetzky on Monday.
In a brief interview the respected Philadelphia rosh yeshiva and member of Agudath Israel’s Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah (Council of Torah Sages) told The Jewish Star, “Some people are still very upset — I don’t know why.”
Rabbi Kamenetzky was alluding to events that led to the cancellation of last year’s show at virtually the last moment. That was a display of derech eretz (respect) on Mendlowitz’s part — a financially costly display, by his own account at the time — to a number of prominent rabbis who signed what amounted to a ban on the event.
Advertisement:The ban was orchestrated — some would say instigated — by individuals who disapprove of Lipa’s humorous onstage antics and non-Jewish musical influences.
“Last time we were told that he was supposed to sing and the Israeli rabbonim,” including Rabbi Yosef Sholom Eliashiv, had a problem with it. “They say he is too much of an actor,” Rabbi Kamenetzky explained this week.
In an interview shortly before the concert was cancelled last year Rabbi Kamenetzky expressed regret at possibly acting in haste to sign the ban. He acknowledged that the claims of the man who sought the concert ban, to have spoken with prominent rabbis in Israel, had not been closely examined, and that the rabbis who signed the ban in the United States had not met to discuss it, as was their usual practice.
In that sense, the cancellation, which followed Lipa’s withdrawal from the performance, was also a display of the raw power zealots in the Orthodox community increasingly attempt to arrogate to themselves through threats and other means of intimidation, usually claiming to be acting under the guidance of “Da’as Torah,” or rabbinic direction.
In that particular case they were successful. Lipa openly acknowledged that threats were made against his livelihood as a performer, noting that he had a mortgage and a family to support.
Since then Lipa has seen a strong resurgence in his career with the release of a popular compact disc and numerous public appearances, including one at a wedding in Williamsburg within days of the concert cancellation. Still, some apparently still nurse hard feelings.
“Last night I was at a certain affair,” Rabbi Kamenetzky told The Jewish Star on Monday. “Reb Lipa had to come there for some reason. He sang. And someone came over with tainas [complaints] to me [that he was allowed to perform]. And I said, as far as I know there is no problem with letting him sing. As far as I know he is an ehrliche yid.”
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Jothar - RAV KAMINETZKY DENIED THIS TO ME IN A PHONE CONVERSATION.
NEXT.
Posted 3 years ago # -
jojo- you're kidding! you mean Rav Kaminetzky associates with members of the CR?? That means the CR has a direct official haskama from Rav Kaminetzky! B"H- i knew I was doing something right ;)
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jojo. if a newspaper says Rabbi Kaminetzky said something he never said i assure you he would publicly and vehemently deny it not just to you. since he never did publicly deny it i and everyone else believe it and i definitely dont believe what you say.
SO STOP WRITING IN CAPS TO GET YOUR UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENTS HERE IN THIS THREAD
Posted 3 years ago # -
whoah flatbush chilax
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i support lipa all the way and i hope his concert is a huge success. lipa is a huge bal chesed and i wish him much hatzlocha
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flatbush27 -
I'm not taking any sides here, but I heard a story of someone who went to Reb Elyashav and was taking to him, and Reb Elyahav said a psak Halacha to which the guy said - but Rebbe, they quoted you publicly saying the opposite. Reb Elyashav said - I know, they did, but I never said that - they are wrong. So they guy asked, well why don't you come out and say that you never said that - it's a huge mistake. To which he responded - If I would go and refute every time someone quotes me wrong, I wouldn't have any time to do anything else because it would take up all his time every day. So it's very possible it's not true and he wouldn't nec. publicly deny it.)
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flatbush- yes lipa is a big ba'al chesed... and I happen to care for my fellow jew. Does that make the fact that I waste time a good thing?
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just smile - good comment.
The jewish star is not something I'd bet my last dollar on.
Posted 3 years ago # -
jojo Rav belsky gave his haskama
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jO jO: ha i'm with areivim!!!!! i'm doing something holy in the cr!!!!!!
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i hope the bigevent will be a great succes.$
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Rav Shor is giving a shiur on March 1st about adar and other topics. do u think it's to get people away from the-Not so Big- event???
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goody: yes I think so forsure. Rav Shor is against it tottalyy
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goody613, Rav Schorr Shlita is a Tzaddik and Talmid Chochom.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Hi Joseph, sorry you missed my comment in this thread. The mods took it down for some reason. I thought it was appropriate.
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justsmile: your right. i was wrong in saying that. it could very well be that Rav Kaminetsky never said that, and didnt come out and deny it. Joseph is also right about The Jewish Star. Its not known for its accuracy. But, I have heard Lipa discuss this issue of who these 3 Gedolim are on the radio. I cant remember if it was Zev Brenner or Nachum Segal. The show was a couple months ago and he said he wasnt saying their names but that you could trust him. I think Lipa is an erliche Yid and I trust him completely that he has haskomos. He listened to the Gedolim last year and that and many other things allow me to believe him. If you dont want to then fine.
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If they were against it they would put out another kol koreh. They have not. The yated prints ads for it. I'm not saying the gedolim are for it. They're just not against it.
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This was not the only place I read semi-positive comments about the event from Reb Shmuel Kaminetzky. As always, ask your LOR. But as Reb Shmuel says in the article, people need outlets.
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A new kol koreh came out against the Lipa concert. the names of Rav Shuel Kaminetzky and Rav Dovid Feinstein are not on it. An article from elsewhere about it:
This Sunday, as many know, an almost sold-out musical event will be held at the WaMu Theater in Madison Square Garden featuring a number of Jewish music singers and a program that Sheya Mendlowitz, the producer, says will be nothing short of uplifting. The evening, called “The Event,” will also feature a special musical tribute to Rabbi Eli Teitelbaum zt”l, the legendary marbitz Torah and mechanech, in a medley performed by Abie Rotenberg of Toronto.
This year, like last, there were some people who wished to stop the efforts of the concert organizers and performers. (the website) has discovered that virtually every single Litvishe rosh yeshiva refused this year to sign any letter or kol koreh banning a specific singer or The Event concert.
Gedolim have faced tremendous pressure from certain so-called activists and have maintained their position despite fabricated stories that all other roshei yeshiva would be signing against concerts and/or singers.
One particular rosh yeshiva whom (website this was swiped from).com was in contact with mentioned that these activists sat with him for over an hour, not willing to let up, and telling him that they have signatures from every other rosh yeshiva. This particular rosh yeshiva had the foresight to pick up a phone and contact a few other roshei yeshiva only to find out that they too were told the same stories but refused to sign.
Of course, at the same time, these rabbonim have said that it is vital to reinforce the idea that concerts should be comprised of kosher entertainment that does not contradict the spirit of the Torah.
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the names of Rav Shuel Kaminetzky and Rav Dovid Feinstein are not on it.
Really?
See this: http://frumreport.com/
Posted 3 years ago # -
Anyways, everyone stop fighting and lets take a poll on who is going. Whoever goes gota wear a sign saying PROUD YWN MEMBER
Posted 3 years ago # -
Their names are not on the kol koreh, and frumreport is clearly a mikveh neias-lashon hara site that should be blocked by all shmutz filters. That said, there's no stira between not banning a concert and telling Bnei Torah not to go, just like there's no stira with Rabbi Belsky giving a hechsher to chalav stam but telling bnei torah not to eat it, or giving a heter to OU tuna but telling bnei torah to only buy mashgiach temidi tuna. The tzurvei merabanan are always held to a different standard than the amcha.
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Reb Elyashav said - I know, they did, but I never said that - they are wrong. So they guy asked, well why don't you come out and say that you never said that - it's a huge mistake. To which he responded - If I would go and refute every time someone quotes me wrong, I wouldn't have any time to do anything else because it would take up all his time every day. So it's very possible it's not true and he wouldn't nec. publicly deny it.)
If that's the case, then he should establish a rule that unless you hear it from his mouth (or his appointed spokesperson) then it's not real. If R. Elyashiv is aware of the weight and power of his words then he cannot allow people to co-opt that power without any protest. He *must* come forward and set the record straight.
I've always felt that, in this day and age, the gedolim need some official medium to get the word out. Relying on askanim and people with an agenda is a very poor way to run things. I would almost recommend that the gedolim have a blog.
The Wolf
Posted 3 years ago # -
Jothar, don't give much credence to those websites you quote.
Posted 3 years ago # -
I don't understand the sinas chinom here. Some of you sound like you are just salivating at the thought that a Yid will lose a lot of money. Whether or not you like Lipa Shmeltzer, I don't see how you are hoping that people will be financially hurt.
That is so unbecoming of the fine Yidden who post here. Maybe this is one of the lessons we have to learn from this financial meltdown/recession we are going through.
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Joseph, I go by whose name is on the kol koreh and whose name was not on it last time. There are some clear delteions this time around. I highly doubt any of the roshei Yeshiva who didn't sign have enthusiastically endorsed the concert. They just didn't ban it, which is a big difference.
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not signing does not equate to a lack of opposition.
Posted 3 years ago # -
joseph- I think in this case you're wrong. The rabbanim who were involved last year with lipa's cancellation of the concert on not on the ban. Kosove Rebbe and rav Rosenblum.
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I made a general statement. Don't know much about this Lipa guy's situation.
Posted 3 years ago # -
What is wrong with everyone here? Why all the arguing? Chill...anyone who would like to go and thinks they will get uplifted in any way GO. Anyone who doesn't like his style or Derech DON'T GO but stop hacking for goodness sake. Why are people living each others lives here???
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Joseph, i agree 100%. there's a difference between not being in favor and banning. Last year they banned. this year they did not. No gadol would endorse the "all-you-can-eat" nights at restaurants, as it is a violation of "kedoshim tihyu", but they don't ban it. If you would ask your rebbe, he would tell you not to do it, but you don't make bans that cause a zilusa debei dina, like last year's concert ban did. If you'll argue that it didn't, then feel free to speak to a local shul rov who will tell you the damage it caused. Many people who had no problem following Daas Torah had tremendous issues after that one. My rav confirmed this, the comments on the blogs confirm this, and the articles in various papers confirm this.
In short, I'm not saying it's a mitzvah to go. But it's not banned.Posted 3 years ago # -
Jothar, don't put much stock in "blogs" and "various papers." You can put your faith in the Gedolei Yisroel Shlita, and there quite a large number of Gedolim in that case, had good cause to issue last years Kol Korei.
Posted 3 years ago # -
OMG just came back best concert ever!!!!!!!!
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goody613: glad to hear you had fun!!!!
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goody613- please fill me in on the details. Who came, any special performances and if there will be dvd etc...
Posted 3 years ago # -
MBD came had a video for R' Eli Teitelbaum ZTL with music from R' Abie Rotenberg and MBD. Shloime Gertner made a video and sang shmeichel also had Sruly Williger
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Shloime Gertner? Our "local" star? Is he well known in America?
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shloime gertner is english?
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Joseph, I put my stock in gedolim. I also know that the rule I learned in yeshiva was not to pasken by kol korehs, as they are often put out by askanim with personal agendas. the quote from rav shmuel kaminetzky in the Jewish Star article was confirmed for me by my rav last year. We know that their signatures were there last year, and they weren't there this year. If they assured it, it surely would be on the kol koreh.
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Was mbd actually there? it's not his type to do something the rabbanim don't approve of.
Posted 3 years ago # -
rosh yeshiva: the rabbonim did not ban it, and hes had his share of controversy surrounding his songs a while back and then it just calmed down
Posted 3 years ago # -
Sure teen. Why the tone of surprise? You think only the U.S can produce stars? Uh Uh...U.K's quite capable as mod39 will tell you!
Posted 3 years ago # -
I thought MBD had grown out of concerts???
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