POLL: The Big Event Concert; Big Flop? Or Best Show?
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February 24, 2009 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #589468Joe SchmoMember
Voting starts……NOW!February 24, 2009 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #640151
The fact that it’s on this year with the haskamah of Gedolim makes it a big success.February 24, 2009 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #640152FerdParticipant
I am getting the feeling that this “big event” concert ain’t gonna be no big event, but rather a big flop.
The ads started saying that 50% of the concert was already sold out (like 3 weeks ago)….
I was listening to the Nachum Segal show the other night, and they were live in some store in Borough Park. Shea Mendlowitz and Lipa were making it sound like people better run as fast as they can to grab the last 2 tickets available in the store….
Then Lipa was on Zev Brenner saying how its almost sold out and people better run like sin to the store to get their tickets because its nearly sold out….
Now I saw on a website that they are giving out 400 free tickets to boys who learn mishnayos and get tested by their rebbi…..
Which boy can learn mishnayos in 2 days is beyond me….which rebbi will sign this paper to send their student to this concert is beyond me….
But putting that all aside for a moment.
It seems veeeeery strange that a show that is “almost sold out” is suddenly giving out four hundred, yes, four hundred free tickets to a concert a week before the show.
I would understand if they gave 50 tickets out for free, but four hundred!?
I hope I am wrong here, but I smell a blow-out and not a sell-out.
It’s a week to purim, and there is no way I would even think of going to a concert where tickets cost $50 (the cheapest seats) now. Purum and Pesach will cost me thousands of dollars, and time is tight (not to mention the money). If I would go it would cost me $400 in tickets for the family.
Hope I am wrong, but this don’t smell too rosy.February 24, 2009 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #640153jO jOMember
“haskama of gedolim”?
Name me one please.
Not three, just one.
I’ll spell that out for you in case you don’t read well.
O-N-EFebruary 24, 2009 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #640154
shikur- according to your statistics, the show don’t need further “boosting”- so why you so anxious to help out?February 24, 2009 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #640155gg18Member
I’m surprised there’s no ban yet.February 24, 2009 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #640161
jojo, Rav Shmuel Kaminetsky Shlit”a has publicly expressed his support for the concert and for Lipa. Here’s an article:
In an interview shortly before the concert was cancelled last year Rabbi Kamenetzky expressed regret at possibly acting in haste to sign the ban. He acknowledged that the claims of the man who sought the concert ban, to have spoken with prominent rabbis in Israel, had not been closely examined, and that the rabbis who signed the ban in the United States had not met to discuss it, as was their usual practice.
In that particular case they were successful. Lipa openly acknowledged that threats were made against his livelihood as a performer, noting that he had a mortgage and a family to support.
Since then Lipa has seen a strong resurgence in his career with the release of a popular compact disc and numerous public appearances, including one at a wedding in Williamsburg within days of the concert cancellation. Still, some apparently still nurse hard feelings.
[complaints] to me [that he was allowed to perform]February 24, 2009 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #640162jO jOMember
Jothar – RAV KAMINETZKY DENIED THIS TO ME IN A PHONE CONVERSATION.
NEXT.February 24, 2009 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #640164
jojo- you’re kidding! you mean Rav Kaminetzky associates with members of the CR?? That means the CR has a direct official haskama from Rav Kaminetzky! B”H- i knew I was doing something right 😉February 24, 2009 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #640165
jojo. if a newspaper says Rabbi Kaminetzky said something he never said i assure you he would publicly and vehemently deny it not just to you. since he never did publicly deny it i and everyone else believe it and i definitely dont believe what you say.
SO STOP WRITING IN CAPS TO GET YOUR UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENTS HERE IN THIS THREADFebruary 24, 2009 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #640166
whoah flatbush chilaxFebruary 24, 2009 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #640167
i support lipa all the way and i hope his concert is a huge success. lipa is a huge bal chesed and i wish him much hatzlochaFebruary 24, 2009 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #640169Just SmileParticipant
I’m not taking any sides here, but I heard a story of someone who went to Reb Elyashav and was taking to him, and Reb Elyahav said a psak Halacha to which the guy said – but Rebbe, they quoted you publicly saying the opposite. Reb Elyashav said – I know, they did, but I never said that – they are wrong. So they guy asked, well why don’t you come out and say that you never said that – it’s a huge mistake. To which he responded – If I would go and refute every time someone quotes me wrong, I wouldn’t have any time to do anything else because it would take up all his time every day. So it’s very possible it’s not true and he wouldn’t nec. publicly deny it.)February 24, 2009 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #640170
flatbush- yes lipa is a big ba’al chesed… and I happen to care for my fellow jew. Does that make the fact that I waste time a good thing?February 25, 2009 12:23 am at 12:23 am #640171
just smile – good comment.
The jewish star is not something I’d bet my last dollar on.February 25, 2009 12:36 am at 12:36 am #640172
jojo Rav belsky gave his haskamaFebruary 25, 2009 2:03 am at 2:03 am #640173asdfghjklParticipant
jO jO: ha i’m with areivim!!!!! i’m doing something holy in the cr!!!!!!February 25, 2009 2:23 am at 2:23 am #640174qwertyuiopMember
i hope the bigevent will be a great succes.$February 25, 2009 3:49 am at 3:49 am #640175
Rav Shor is giving a shiur on March 1st about adar and other topics. do u think it’s to get people away from the-Not so Big- event???February 25, 2009 4:10 am at 4:10 am #640176torahtzivaMember
goody: yes I think so forsure. Rav Shor is against it tottalyyFebruary 25, 2009 4:16 am at 4:16 am #640178
goody613, Rav Schorr Shlita is a Tzaddik and Talmid Chochom.February 25, 2009 4:32 am at 4:32 am #640179squeakParticipant
Hi Joseph, sorry you missed my comment in this thread. The mods took it down for some reason. I thought it was appropriate.February 25, 2009 4:46 am at 4:46 am #640181
justsmile: your right. i was wrong in saying that. it could very well be that Rav Kaminetsky never said that, and didnt come out and deny it. Joseph is also right about The Jewish Star. Its not known for its accuracy. But, I have heard Lipa discuss this issue of who these 3 Gedolim are on the radio. I cant remember if it was Zev Brenner or Nachum Segal. The show was a couple months ago and he said he wasnt saying their names but that you could trust him. I think Lipa is an erliche Yid and I trust him completely that he has haskomos. He listened to the Gedolim last year and that and many other things allow me to believe him. If you dont want to then fine.February 25, 2009 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #640183
If they were against it they would put out another kol koreh. They have not. The yated prints ads for it. I’m not saying the gedolim are for it. They’re just not against it.February 25, 2009 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm #640184
This was not the only place I read semi-positive comments about the event from Reb Shmuel Kaminetzky. As always, ask your LOR. But as Reb Shmuel says in the article, people need outlets.February 27, 2009 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #640186
A new kol koreh came out against the Lipa concert. the names of Rav Shuel Kaminetzky and Rav Dovid Feinstein are not on it. An article from elsewhere about it:
This year, like last, there were some people who wished to stop the efforts of the concert organizers and performers. (the website) has discovered that virtually every single Litvishe rosh yeshiva refused this year to sign any letter or kol koreh banning a specific singer or The Event concert.
Gedolim have faced tremendous pressure from certain so-called activists and have maintained their position despite fabricated stories that all other roshei yeshiva would be signing against concerts and/or singers.
One particular rosh yeshiva whom (website this was swiped from).com was in contact with mentioned that these activists sat with him for over an hour, not willing to let up, and telling him that they have signatures from every other rosh yeshiva. This particular rosh yeshiva had the foresight to pick up a phone and contact a few other roshei yeshiva only to find out that they too were told the same stories but refused to sign.
Of course, at the same time, these rabbonim have said that it is vital to reinforce the idea that concerts should be comprised of kosher entertainment that does not contradict the spirit of the Torah.February 27, 2009 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #640187FerdParticipant
the names of Rav Shuel Kaminetzky and Rav Dovid Feinstein are not on it.
See this: http://frumreport.com/February 27, 2009 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #640188myshadowMember
Anyways, everyone stop fighting and lets take a poll on who is going. Whoever goes gota wear a sign saying PROUD YWN MEMBERFebruary 27, 2009 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #640189
Their names are not on the kol koreh, and frumreport is clearly a mikveh neias-lashon hara site that should be blocked by all shmutz filters. That said, there’s no stira between not banning a concert and telling Bnei Torah not to go, just like there’s no stira with Rabbi Belsky giving a hechsher to chalav stam but telling bnei torah not to eat it, or giving a heter to OU tuna but telling bnei torah to only buy mashgiach temidi tuna. The tzurvei merabanan are always held to a different standard than the amcha.February 27, 2009 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #640190WolfishMusingsParticipant
Reb Elyashav said – I know, they did, but I never said that – they are wrong. So they guy asked, well why don’t you come out and say that you never said that – it’s a huge mistake. To which he responded – If I would go and refute every time someone quotes me wrong, I wouldn’t have any time to do anything else because it would take up all his time every day. So it’s very possible it’s not true and he wouldn’t nec. publicly deny it.)
If that’s the case, then he should establish a rule that unless you hear it from his mouth (or his appointed spokesperson) then it’s not real. If R. Elyashiv is aware of the weight and power of his words then he cannot allow people to co-opt that power without any protest. He *must* come forward and set the record straight.
I’ve always felt that, in this day and age, the gedolim need some official medium to get the word out. Relying on askanim and people with an agenda is a very poor way to run things. I would almost recommend that the gedolim have a blog.
The WolfFebruary 27, 2009 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #640192
Jothar, don’t give much credence to those websites you quote.February 27, 2009 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #640193just meParticipant
I don’t understand the sinas chinom here. Some of you sound like you are just salivating at the thought that a Yid will lose a lot of money. Whether or not you like Lipa Shmeltzer, I don’t see how you are hoping that people will be financially hurt.
That is so unbecoming of the fine Yidden who post here. Maybe this is one of the lessons we have to learn from this financial meltdown/recession we are going through.March 1, 2009 2:55 am at 2:55 am #640196
Joseph, I go by whose name is on the kol koreh and whose name was not on it last time. There are some clear delteions this time around. I highly doubt any of the roshei Yeshiva who didn’t sign have enthusiastically endorsed the concert. They just didn’t ban it, which is a big difference.March 1, 2009 3:03 am at 3:03 am #640197
not signing does not equate to a lack of opposition.March 1, 2009 4:42 am at 4:42 am #640199RoshYeshivahMember
joseph- I think in this case you’re wrong. The rabbanim who were involved last year with lipa’s cancellation of the concert on not on the ban. Kosove Rebbe and rav Rosenblum.March 1, 2009 6:46 am at 6:46 am #640200
I made a general statement. Don’t know much about this Lipa guy’s situation.March 1, 2009 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #640201
What is wrong with everyone here? Why all the arguing? Chill…anyone who would like to go and thinks they will get uplifted in any way GO. Anyone who doesn’t like his style or Derech DON’T GO but stop hacking for goodness sake. Why are people living each others lives here???March 2, 2009 12:39 am at 12:39 am #640202
Joseph, i agree 100%. there’s a difference between not being in favor and banning. Last year they banned. this year they did not. No gadol would endorse the “all-you-can-eat” nights at restaurants, as it is a violation of “kedoshim tihyu”, but they don’t ban it. If you would ask your rebbe, he would tell you not to do it, but you don’t make bans that cause a zilusa debei dina, like last year’s concert ban did. If you’ll argue that it didn’t, then feel free to speak to a local shul rov who will tell you the damage it caused. Many people who had no problem following Daas Torah had tremendous issues after that one. My rav confirmed this, the comments on the blogs confirm this, and the articles in various papers confirm this.
In short, I’m not saying it’s a mitzvah to go. But it’s not banned.March 2, 2009 1:17 am at 1:17 am #640203
Jothar, don’t put much stock in “blogs” and “various papers.” You can put your faith in the Gedolei Yisroel Shlita, and there quite a large number of Gedolim in that case, had good cause to issue last years Kol Korei.March 2, 2009 4:30 am at 4:30 am #640204
OMG just came back best concert ever!!!!!!!!March 2, 2009 6:08 am at 6:08 am #640205asdfghjklParticipant
goody613: glad to hear you had fun!!!!March 2, 2009 9:32 am at 9:32 am #640207
goody613- please fill me in on the details. Who came, any special performances and if there will be dvd etc…March 2, 2009 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #640208
MBD came had a video for R’ Eli Teitelbaum ZTL with music from R’ Abie Rotenberg and MBD. Shloime Gertner made a video and sang shmeichel also had Sruly WilligerMarch 2, 2009 2:18 pm at 2:18 pm #640209
Shloime Gertner? Our “local” star? Is he well known in America?March 2, 2009 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #640210teenMember
shloime gertner is english?March 2, 2009 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #640211
Joseph, I put my stock in gedolim. I also know that the rule I learned in yeshiva was not to pasken by kol korehs, as they are often put out by askanim with personal agendas. the quote from rav shmuel kaminetzky in the Jewish Star article was confirmed for me by my rav last year. We know that their signatures were there last year, and they weren’t there this year. If they assured it, it surely would be on the kol koreh.March 2, 2009 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #640212RoshYeshivahMember
Was mbd actually there? it’s not his type to do something the rabbanim don’t approve of.March 2, 2009 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #640213
rosh yeshiva: the rabbonim did not ban it, and hes had his share of controversy surrounding his songs a while back and then it just calmed downMarch 2, 2009 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #640214
Sure teen. Why the tone of surprise? You think only the U.S can produce stars? Uh Uh…U.K’s quite capable as mod39 will tell you!March 2, 2009 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #640215
I thought MBD had grown out of concerts???
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