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I can’t find if I ever wrote this before, so here it is:
I’m too lazy to look up the sourcing so I’ll write what I remember. Maybe I’ll add in the sourcing a different time.
Blood spots. In eggs. There is a machlokes. One shitta is that if it is on the yolk it is assur. One shitta is that if it is on the white it is assur. (Something about a third shitta and a kesher.)
We are machmir like all shittos. The consequence is that no matter where you find the blood spot it is assur.
So:
Suppose you crack an egg and see a blood spot–it is assur no matter where the blood is.
Suppose you crack an egg and see a blood spot, and then mix that egg up with several other eggs–it is assur, no matter where the blood spot was.
Suppose you crack several eggs and mix them together and then notice a blood spot–it is muttar because there is a safek that maybe it was in a spot that is muttar. Wait, what? But you just said that we are machmir that no matter where it is it is assur. So how does a safek help us? Both sides of the safek are assur!
Popa your cracking up.
Didn’t it become a safek d’rabbonon?
There is no Mimah Nafshach. It’s not that every spot is Assur. It’s that we don’t know where the Assur spot is, so we treat all spots as Assur. But at the end of the day it might be Muttar. So if you see the blood spot you have a Safek in Din about whether this blood spot is Muttar or Assur, something that we are Machmir on. But if you don’t see the spot until later then the Safek is in Metzius, was the blood in a Muttar spot or not? (I feel like you’re leaving something out. I haven’t done this in many years but don’t you need a second Safek in order to make this Muttar?)
PBA: Ah, that makes sense. It’s a D’rabannan so it’s S’feiko L’kula. My Chiluk doesn’t work for you though? We don’t know which is Assur so we treat each individual case as Assur. But at the end of the day it might have come from a Muttar spot. So if you don’t know what that spot is then as long as you have a way of Bittul you can use the Bittul.
(The single egg with a blood sport itself is a Safek D’oraisa. And even if it was D’rabannan this would be analogous to the case of the 4 Kosos; see the Ran there in the last Perek of Pesachim.)
The egg would have to be Batul Beshishim, not the blood.
I didn’t learn through those Halachos, but to be Nosen Taam to what you describe we can say that once you had the Shaila on a whole egg and had to render it Traif, it is a Chaticha Asura and we aren’t Mattir Chad Betrei. On the other hand, when the Safek is born on the mix you can still ponder its Issur and add that to the Rov factor.
HaLeiVi: No, because the egg is a Safek Issur because we never Paskened on the egg before it became mixed in.
PBA: What was DY’s deleted answer from two years ago?
What do you mean by that? When we had one whole egg in front of us we had to Pasken on it that it is Treif.
I think we basically said the same thing. I just used fancier language and you were clearer. That makes perfect sense.
That’s a great answer. I didn’t realize that it is definite in the first case that you know where it is. According to your Pshat, if you mix up this one egg, then notice a spot, and then it gets mixed with others it will also be fine.
Why indeed is Chaticha Asura not an issue? We don’t apply it to a Safek?
Now that the original thread has been dug up, can we close either this one or that one?
They are now holding in middle of different discussions.
Okay, but it’s the same topic…why not just say what you have to say in one place?
Perhaps misafek you should post in both places :).
Popa, can you post the link to the other thread?
Now, a favor from you: if my post is still there, can you restore it (and note that it’s restored)? I’d like to see how I wrote my answer.
done
Thanks.
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