ItcheSrulik mentioned that he has serious Hashkafa problems with taking Shirayim. I can't guess what they might be. How about discussing it here? (I'm not trying trying to lure you in to some great debate or anything.)
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Shirayim
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Posted 3 months ago #
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WHAT, he has publicly admitted to having serious hashkofo probs?
loshon hora I'm not mekabel!what sort of sherayim are we talking about?
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Hashkafa or Hygiene?
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HaLeiVi: What is the source or reason that Rebbe's give shrayim?
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It's brought down that one who eats from what a mouse (or weasel?) left over (Shirayim of the mouse) causes him to forget his learning. So the concept is deduced from there that one who eats what a Tzadik leaves over should have a positive effect on his learning, yiras shomayim, etc.
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maybe he is worried that doing so is akin to converting a man into some sort of deity.
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I am not chassidishe, I do not hold of their minhagim. I think some of the things they do are pretty bizzare. But I try to respect them anyway, and this is one of the ways I do.
I once had a Rosh Yeshiva who spoke about shirayim. He had an interesting take, and I like to adopt it as well.
When I see grown men scrambling for a bit of gefilte fish, it astounds me. But, really, part of that astonishment is that I feel like they are fighting over something very silly. So, it is worth realizing that--for whatever reason--they think the piece of gefilte fish is really very important. I am less astounded when I think of grown men fighting over something important, than over something silly.
Then, it is mostly just a question of what I find important and what they find important. Well, I have enough respect for them that I can recognize their choices of what is important.
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I don't think the scrambling has any merit. Where I have been it was handed out and passed around in an orderly fassion.
Mayan-Dvash mentioned what we learn from the adverse effects of Shirayim. We also find it in a positive way. The Gemara in Brachos on the last Amud(64) says that one who enjoys a Seuda in which a Talmud Chacham partakes is as if he is enjoying the glory of the Shechina. We learn this from the description in the Pasuk of Klal Yisroel as eating in front of Hashem, because they ate at the Seuda of Moshe and Aharon.
We find the concept of Shirayim by Korbanos, and by Mitzvos, in general.
When Yeshiva Bochrim used to stay at local houses it was a custom for the Bochur to leave over something so that the host would have from a Yeshiva Bochur's Shirayim.It says, Gedolah Legima, that a meal together brings people together in a way that cannot be accomplished otherwise. That is why Avraham and Avimelech made their pact over a meal.
There is also another point. If someone eats with the right intentions and approach, it is considered a Korban. Eating the Shirayim is like having from Shirayim of a Korban.
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Eating the Shirayim is like having from Shirayim of a Korban.
I suppose that means that the fact that I did not eat Shirayim from a Gadol's matzah on the night of Pesach means that I did not partake in the Korban Pesach and therefore am liable for kares.
The Wolf
Posted 3 months ago # -
See Yerushalmi Moed Katan Perek 2 Misna 3 for a source for shirayim. Rabi Yochanan would eat shirayim from the seuda of Talmidei Chachamim.
Posted 3 months ago # -
Wolf
I'm sure there are enough things you did wrong to do Teshuvah for. No need to look for invented reasons to be chayyiv kareis. Besides, kareis isnt a joke dont come here and belittle that which is holy. You are very clearly oiver on Leitzanus with these types of snide comments. You bang Latznu once or 2x every day in Ashamnu (if you say Tachanun) it means Leitzanus. Now you know what to have in mind over there when you bang your chest and say that word so that you wont be lying to Hashem to His face.Posted 3 months ago # -
Is it davka necessary to "chap shirayim" with bare hands?
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You bang Latznu once or 2x every day in Ashamnu (if you say Tachanun) it means Leitzanus.
Nitpick: Not everyone who says Tachanun says Ashamnu. Most places davening nusach Ashkenaz do not say Ashamnu in Tachanun.
Posted 3 months ago # -
dont come here and belittle that which is holy. You are very clearly oiver on Leitzanus with these types of snide comments.
My comments are not snide but are meant with complete sincerity. Trust me, when I mean to make fun of something, you'll know it. If there's one thing that I'm good at, it's expressing myself through humor.
You bang Latznu once or 2x every day in Ashamnu (if you say Tachanun) it means Leitzanus.
Wrong! I say Tachanun and I do NOT bang at all, nor do I say "Ashamnu" at all on a regular weekday.
Now you know what to have in mind over there when you bang your chest and say that word so that you wont be lying to Hashem to His face.
I have not lied about anything. I have many faults, but deliberate lying is not one of them. Don't make me worse than I am by accusing me of being a scoffer or a liar. I'm bad enough, thank you very much. There's no need to make me worse than the already horrible disgusting excuse for a human being that I am.
The Wolf
Posted 3 months ago # -
watch out for the really oversalted ground up fish at S"S.
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