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  • #606079

    gotbeer
    Member

    I don’t mean this in a bad way but the whole point of ‘Small Business Saturday’ is to give a boost to the economy. Why then is almost every tzedakah organization telling you to give them the $25 ????? Don’t they have enough Chinese Auctions and what not ?!?!?

    #988778

    Ðash®
    Participant

    You got it wrong, the point of Small Business Saturday is to encourage the use of American Express cards.

    #988779

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    What better way to boost the economy than to boost Torah learning!

    #988780

    chofetzchaim
    Member

    Wow, I see about 20 tzedakas doing this at http://www.jdonations.com and I’ve gotten emails from many others who are not on that list. Looks like everyone is trying to take advantage. Why not?

    #988781

    WIY
    Member

    Gotbeer

    The charities need the money. Just one example is the hurricane funds. It will cost millions to rebuild. Have they raised even half of what they will need?!

    #988783

    golden mom
    Member

    pease beware many of my friends and family ran last time to stores with the amex card since its motzei shabbos the stores r trying to fit in as many customers as possible however one big mistake some stores did was they didnt close there cc terminals before midnight so therefore it went into account as sunday and nobody got thier $25 back from those stores

    #988785

    gotbeer
    Member

    @WIY: No one said that charities don’t need the money. What I’m saying is that the whole point of ‘Small Business Saturday’ is to boost the economy and not to fund raise….

    @golden mom: FYI- I went to a store last year on Saturday night and got charged on Sunday morning. Amex saw that I was’t the only one with this problem and reimbursed me and everyone else. So please tell your friends and family either to check their statements or to call Amex and get back their money $$$$$$$$$$$$

    #988786

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I don’t mean this in a bad way but the whole point of ‘Small Business Saturday’ is to give a boost to the economy.

    That is simply false. The purpose of the promotion is to reward and incentivize stores that accept American Express, and to incentivize people to use their American Express card.

    Schools accept American Express, so they are part of the group which is meant to be incentived, and we are part of the consumer group meant to be incentived.

    Please take your mishigas and bury it in the East River.

    Don’t they have enough Chinese Auctions and what not ?!?!?

    What an outrageous and ignorant thing to say.

    #988787

    gotbeer
    Member

    @popa: That is simply false. The purpose of the promotion is to reward and incentivize stores that accept American Express, and to incentivize people to use their American Express card.

    It began in 2010 when American Express founded Small Business Saturday to help small businesses get more exposure during one of the biggest shopping weekends of the year. Last year, over 100 million people came out to shop at independently-owned small businesses on the day. Now, in its third year, Small Business Saturday will be even bigger. American Express is offering free and easy-to-use tools to help small businesses get the most out of the day and tools for consumers to show their support.”

    https://www.americanexpress.com/us/small-business/Shop-Small/

    @popa: What an outrageous and ignorant thing to say.

    Ayin Le’il ^…..VaHamaven Yavan…..

    #988788

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Sure, so we can add a third purpose: to get positive PR by looking like they are trying to help the economy.

    And they get that PR even if I give my money to a yeshiva.

    #988790

    chofetzchaim
    Member

    To quote R’ Shaffier (https://jdonations.mapletime.com/shmuz25/)

    Why is Amex doing this?

    For them it’s part marketing, part their way of encouraging

    people to give. They figure if people use their Amex card for

    good causes, it makes them look good, and makes for more

    loyal customers.

    The bottom line is that this is a chance to donate $25 and it won’t

    cost you a penny!

    PS- This is American Express’s way of giving back to the community. You simply donate $25 to the Shmuz on your AMEX card, and that amount will then be refunded to your credit card. It costs you nothing. And the Shmuz gains!

    #988791

    gotbeer
    Member

    @popa & chofetzchaim: I think you missed the point, its called ‘ Small Business Saturday’, not ‘Charity Night’……………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #988792

    thehock
    Member

    Actually, at least one charity is doing a gift card raffle for this pool of donors. So they are perpetuating the ideal of further stimulating the economy and small business activity….

    #988793

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    gotbeer:

    My contention it would not matter to Amex if I give the money to a yeshiva or a liquor store.

    I think your response is that Amex wants to stimulate the economy and that will only happen if I give the money to a liquor store.

    You are incorrect for multiple reasons:

    1. If I give it to a yeshiva, and they spend the money (as they will), it will stimulate the economy just as well. (and yes, they also patronize many small businesses, and money is fungible).

    2. Amex does not care to stimulate the economy. They intend to incentivize stores to accept their card and for people to use their card, and to have good PR.

    3. This promotion is not even almost large enough to have any effect on the economy. The stimulus bill was like 1 billion times bigger than this, and may not even have had any effect.

    #988797

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    pba wrote:

    3. This promotion is not even almost large enough to have any effect on the economy. The stimulus bill was like 1 billion times bigger than this, and may not even have had any effect.

    Popa, I thought you were donating $25 Billion dollars to Darchei Popa with all of your AUs. That should stimulate the economy

    #988799

    gotbeer
    Member

    For all those who were against me last year should please reconsider their comments and know that my question last year wasn’t out of hate but logic.

    This year, Amex isn’t allowing charities for Small Business Saturday. Obviously bc they aren’t small businesses…….Take that Popa!!!!!

    P.S. This year it’s only $10 and stores have to register before hand.

    #988800

    WIY
    Member

    Gotbeer

    I think that the fact that it was cut to $10 is because too many people used it last year (likely for charities) they are trying to save themselves money by cutting out the charities and lowering the amount to $10 and requiring businesses to register beforehand.

    #988801

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    This year, Amex isn’t allowing charities for Small Business Saturday. Obviously, last year it was allowed.

    FTFY

    #988802

    gotbeer
    Member

    Exactly my point, bc it’s meant ONLY for small businesses.

    #988803

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    They also eliminated the credit for online purchases. Does this mean, gotbeer, that anyone selling online is not a small business?

    #988804

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    By the way, you’re right that it’s only $10 this year, but many stores are automatically registered. If they’re on the Small Business Saturday Map, they qualify.

    #988805

    YW Moderator-18
    Moderator

    Do you need to register your cards?

    #988806

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Yes, if you don’t register your cards you won’t get the credit. They also say that their are limited slots, so register early.

    #988807


    Participant

    This year, Amex isn’t allowing charities for Small Business Saturday. Obviously bc they aren’t small businesses…….Take that Popa!!!!!

    #988808

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I saw the terms. Charities are excluded. From their website:

    The following types of merchants are not eligible: those that are part of a franchise brand with more than 100 stores (if a franchise brand has more than 20 corporate-owned stores, then the entire brand is excluded) and merchants who accept American Express Cards solely through a third party payments aggregator, including those that offer the ability to accept credit cards through a card reader attached to a mobile device, or as part of an affiliate program.

    Merchants in the following categories are also not eligible: government agencies, public administration, charities, non-profits, trade associations, shopping property management companies, direct sellers, and political organizations.

    Merchants that do not have a physical storefront or location are not eligible and will not appear on the Small Business Saturday Map which will be available from 11/21/13-12/1/13.

    #988809

    CRuzer
    Member

    Remember, you can still spend the money at a small business on something you need, and then give the $10 you saved to tzedakah.

    So gotbeer, AMEX, and Hashem will be so proud of you.

    #988810

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    There is lemaysa a stira because it says specifically that charities are excluded but many charities are on the map.

    #988811

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    No stira. The map is to inform you which merchants have a physical location. A merchant may have a physical location, be on the map, and be ineligible for other reasons (eg nonprofit etc.)

    Nowhere in the terms does it say that all those on the map are eligible.

    It is also likely that AMEX will end up paying out to many that are ineligible.

    One can ponder whether it’s:

    1. they don’t care; or

    2. they care, but enforcing it would be too time-consuming/expensive.

    Within “2.” one can question whether they have an expectation of self-reporting. I could imagine that each of these could have halachic implications.

    #988812


    Participant

    No stira. The map is to inform you which merchants have a physical location. A merchant may have a physical location, be on the map, and be ineligible for other reasons (eg nonprofit etc.)

    Nowhere in the terms does it say that all those on the map are eligible.

    The Small Business Saturday Map is an interactive map created to help Card Members find and shop at small businesses. It is also a resource for Card Members to find a qualifying small business location where they can redeem the American Express Card Member Offer for Small Business Saturday on 11/30/13. The Small Business Saturday Map will be available to Card Members from 11/21/13-12/1/13. Online-only businesses and businesses without a physical storefront or location do not qualify to be included.

    The Shop Small Map is an interactive map, available throughout the year (except from 11/21/13-12/1/13 when the Small Business Saturday Map is available), to help Card Members find and shop at small businesses. In addition to displaying merchants with a physical storefront, the Shop Small Map also displays merchants that only accept online transactions or those that do not have a physical business location. Merchants that only accept online transactions or those that do not have a physical business location will appear on the Shop Small Map until after Small Business Saturday, Nov 30, provided that they are eligible.

    How do I know that a particular small business location in my area is a qualifying location?

    Of course the fact that it’s on the map doesn’t mean that the business was truthful in their application, but the FAQ seems to indicate that the consumer is not responsible to make that determination.

    #988813

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    I know of some tzedakahs that are on the map although they never “applied” because they were ineligible. I don’t see any problem going over to one of these places on motzei shabbos to swipe my card…

    #988814

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    42, I don’t think you’re right. It’s probably mat’eh aku”m, since they explicitly exclude nonprofits, and the appearance on the map is surely a mistake.

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