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1. pascha bchochma
   Member

   Don't worry - I. Have. Asked. My. LOR. (Who says I can)

   But I would like to know more about this issue. Apparently it's fine for me to type on CHM. However for the past 3 years, I did not do it since I felt it would help me ruchnius wise. This year it is davar ha'aveid for me to not type and I am typing but I feel very uncomfortable.

   1. Am I being too strict on myself? Isn't there such a thing as if you do something 3 times, it's a shvuah?
   2. If I told the secular ppl I work with that I try to not type on CHM, then got a psak from my Rav that I can, should I do it or not, should I bother to explain it or just let them assume I'm less strict than I used to be?
   3. Is it ok to type something if I know my secular coworker will probably print it out for themselves?

   Sources would be much appreciated. Thanks!

   Posted 1 year ago #

2. aries2756
   Smartness runs in my family.

   If you already asked your Rav then why do you feel the need to get confirmation from others? Once you ask a Rav a sheilah that should be all the confirmation one needs. Why bother asking a Rav anything if you don't trust him to give you the appropriate answer or if you don't feel satisfied with his answer?

   Obviously it has come to a point where we trust Rabbonim less and less and look to others for moral and halachic support more and more.

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. pascha bchochma
   Member

   Because I'm curious, besides I'm sure he is happy for me to do my own research too. I go to find out what I can and can't do, not to learn all of Hilchos CHM standing on one foot.

   My Rav is very clear that he is telling me halacha for my situation. He's not telling me that I HAVE to type on CHM, just that it's permitted. So I'm allowed to type this and find out everything he doesn't have the time to explain.

   Posted 1 year ago #

4. pascha bchochma
   Member

   I see we're all on YWN so I am pretty sure it really is permitted.

   Posted 1 year ago #

5. missme
   Member

   what's the heter to type on a computer forum? (no need for the wisecracks, what am i doing here. i am asking.) i understand your heter was for work purposes, not entertainment.

   Posted 1 year ago #

6. pascha bchochma
   Member

   He said there's no real issur (remember I took it upon myself to stop typing, not bec. of halacha.) I'm showing my emunas chachamim by typing this that I believe it is permissible.
   Also, if I'm going to type secular stuff, I may as well also learn some halacha along the way.

   Posted 1 year ago #

7. missme
   Member

   you said it is "davar ha'aveid", so it sounds like you told your rov you may entail a loss, hence the heter. without the davar ha'aveid you can't rely on a heter given for a davar ha'aveid. ywn isn't a davar ha'aveid.

   Posted 1 year ago #

8. pascha bchochma
   Member

   I put that in, he didn't say that. Sorry. Due to disclosure issues I didn't put the whole story in either. Just wanted y'all to feel comfortable answering.

   Posted 1 year ago #

9. bpt
   never caustic

   If I understood the "writing" issue clearly, its becuase in the old days, writing was a skill / craft (like tanning, ironwork, ect) and not something that was done by everyone and all the time. So like many other melochos that are not needed for immediate use, writing was put on the no list.

   That said, I make every effort not to write with a pen on chol hamoed.

   I don't think computers even enter the equation. (unless you're balancing your checkbook, just to get a head start on the end of the month).

   Besides, CR chatting is not work, its a trip!

   Posted 1 year ago #

10. mw13
    Member

    "Isn't there such a thing as if you do something 3 times, it's a shvuah?"

    That's only a dvar mitzva, or something that there is a halachic reason to do. However, since your Rav has said that there is no inyun not to type, you not typing was not a dvar mitzvah, and therefore I would assume there was no shvuah. However, as aries2756 said, if you truly have a problem you should consult your Rav.

    "If I told the secular ppl I work with that I try to not type on CHM, then got a psak from my Rav that I can, should I do it or not, should I bother to explain it or just let them assume I'm less strict than I used to be?"

    I would imagine that if you don't tell them anything they'll assume you simply don't keep that halacha anymore. Therefore, I would assume you should explain the situation to them (although I'm not sure how exactly how you would do that) to avoid a chillul Hashem. However, as always, all halacha li'maseh shailos should go to your LOR.

    "Is it ok to type something if I know my secular coworker will probably print it out for themselves?"

    Hmmm... that sounds suspiciously like a halacha li'maseh shailah, one of those things that should be asked to your LOR.

    Posted 1 year ago #

11. pascha bchochma
    Member

    Thank you so much mw13 for your answer.

    I'm thinking about how to avoid making a chilul Hashem in this way.

    (Re the last point about getting it printed, you're right that was halacha l'maase and he said it's fine.)

    Posted 1 year ago #

12. mw13
    Member

    paschabchochma: You're very welcome.

    "I'm thinking about how to avoid making a chilul Hashem in this way."

    Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to explain it to them... maybe just say that one is not allowed to write during this time, and until now you weren't sure if typing is writing so you finally got around to asking you Rabbi who said it's OK.

    Posted 1 year ago #

13. pascha bchochma
    Member

    MW13: prob is that I do write, just with a shinui. But some variation of what you said will have to work - "I thought I couldn't asked my rabbi who said I could"

    You know, I feel lucky to have coworkers who are so understanding, but I think I overexplained CHM and should have just kept it to "we're only allowed to do stuff we need to do" end of story. Now I know for next time.

    Posted 1 year ago #

14. oy vey kids these days
    Member

    its forbidden to type on chol hamoed

    Posted 1 year ago #

15. oy vey kids these days
    Member

    im kidding. (if you can't figure out why, then too bad)

    Posted 1 year ago #

16. chofetzchaim
    Member

    "If I told the secular ppl I work with that I try to not type on CHM, then got a psak from my Rav that I can, should I do it or not, should I bother to explain it or just let them assume I'm less strict than I used to be?"

    I assume you can just explain to them that you misunderstood the halacha.

    "Is it ok to type something if I know my secular coworker will probably print it out for themselves?"

    As far as I understand it, there is no issue at all of typing. It is specifically writing that we don't do. I don't think that printing would even fall under the category of writing and if anything it would be no worse (probably better) than writing with a shinuy

    Posted 1 year ago #

17. Midwest2
    Member

    Another thought:

    There's no kiyum to typing on a computer screen. It isn't "really" there. On the disk it's just a pattern of magnetism, and on the monitor it's just a pattern of chemical dots which have been momentarily activated by an electron beam.

    BUT printing out is another matter. Then it has a kiyum, like anything written or typed on a machine. I don't print anything out unless it's a davar ha-eved or a need for the chag (e.g. grocery list).

    Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

    Posted 1 year ago #

18. Ben Torah
    Joseph

    http://www.yutorah.org/_shiurim/Writing%20on%20Chol%20Hamoed.pdf

    Posted 1 year ago #

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