January 14, 2011 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #594218
I learnt (a long time ago) that one should not walk in socks (i.e. without shoes) if there parents are still alive. Does anyone know the source and reason for this?January 14, 2011 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #729148
The kohanim did it all the time and will again. And they walked completely barefoot.January 14, 2011 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #729149
I think its because in an beis avel they dont wear shoes
I hope its just a minhag or superstition, because I never wear shoes or slippers in the house! Second I’m in the door, the shoes come offJanuary 14, 2011 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #729150
I think its one of those heebie-jeebie things.January 14, 2011 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #729151
I think it is more out of the idea that this is a style of aveilus, so it’s like tempting an ayin hara to do so. Is there really a law about it????? And we cannot go by Kohanim. They did MANY things that the rest of us are not permitted to do.January 17, 2011 12:28 am at 12:28 am #729152
First of all, it is improper to do this for other reasons. “one should conduct himself in the house the way he would in the street.” It is improper to make drastic chages in your appearence right when you come home, and this is the first “step” to “chitzonah me’oror es hapnim”!January 17, 2011 12:35 am at 12:35 am #729153
I agree w/ oomis1105, as I do many times & I think I should play her in the upcoming YWN-CR movie! 😉January 17, 2011 12:36 am at 12:36 am #729154
so you sleep with your coat?…
conducting at home like on the street means having the same level of erlichkeit even when nobody sees.January 17, 2011 1:51 am at 1:51 am #729155
ho…this meshugenah just doesn’t wear a coat outside 😛January 17, 2011 2:00 am at 2:00 am #729156
I think this only applies in public places where everyone wears shoes. I doubt this is a problem in the house.January 17, 2011 2:12 am at 2:12 am #729157
never heard of itJanuary 17, 2011 2:24 am at 2:24 am #729158
Smile E. FaceMember
I heard that it’s a minhag by some to wear shoes/slippers, but in my family we’re just makpid not barefoot-wearing just socks it fine 🙂January 17, 2011 2:28 am at 2:28 am #729159
This is certainly a minhag amongst hungarian jews, and it is- as said by some of the posters-because an “avel” cannot wear shoes and hence, we don’t-chas vesholom-want to look like we are in aveilus,either because of an “ayin horah” or because we don’t want the “kitrug” (accusation). As a matter of fact, from the gemoro it seems that the amoraim wore special socks for shabbos as they would go barefoot all week long.January 17, 2011 3:41 am at 3:41 am #729160
Always here…are you sure that the reason that you always agree with Oomis is because you might be infected with Josephitis and may be Oomis??? Just a thought(and a joke…for those who have no sense of humor).January 17, 2011 4:10 am at 4:10 am #729161
“I agree w/ oomis1105, as I do many times & I think I should play her in the upcoming YWN-CR movie! 😉 “
I give my haskama 😉 Thank you, Always here.
Sender Av – let me state for the record and in no uncertain terms – I have only one screen name and do not believe in posting under more than one, and the only itis I have is osteoarthr-itis. I guarantee you NO ONE wants that from me! 🙂January 17, 2011 6:58 am at 6:58 am #729162
Many people had dirt floors until a few generations ago. You’d definitely would have wanted to wear shoes then.
Rav Ovadia Yosef says that if the minhag hamokom is to greet respectable people w/o shoes, then you can daven w/o shoes. Based on a Gemara towards the end of Berachot (between 61 and 63). Clearly socks-only is not prohibited from halacha.January 17, 2011 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #729163
“the only itis I have is osteoarthr-itis”
I picked up on that on another thread, & felt kinship.January 17, 2011 1:56 pm at 1:56 pm #729164
“Not walking around in socks” in the home would be a great problem for the people in Canada and very cold climates.
I know whenever I visit Montrealin the winter,
it is absolute etiquette and almost a RULE to remove your boots or
shoes when entering someones house…so that you don’t drag the snow, salt and dirty slush into the house. I can’t imagine that all the thousands of people who do this would be breaking Halacha.January 17, 2011 3:31 pm at 3:31 pm #729165
You can always wear slippers.January 17, 2011 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #729168
My father was always makpid about this!
He said something about losing ones parents. I guess like others mentioned it has something to do with Aveilus. Mustn’t be directly realted since avelim do wear shoes just not leather ones..
I now know that since we have Hungarian origin that is why we are makpid and my husbands family isn’t.. It leaves me to institute it in our home.. which I do try to do!January 17, 2011 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #729169
There are those that don’t walk around with socks on Motzei Shabbos, because an avel removes his shoes after Shabbos and walks around with socks.January 17, 2011 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #729170
first of all, don’t say Lashon Hara about millions, besides which how do you know which minhag is correct?
second of all I (loosely) quoted a source from the Gemara, which Rav Ovadia quotes (better than I can)
My point in quoting him was not for telling people halacha leMaase, but to quote a source and a posek to point out that we are talking about minhag hamakom. Different Kehillot developed different minhagim.
The Tur in Orech Chaim (siman 91) poskens that since it is not customary to stand in front of dignitaries and heads of state while barefoot, one should not daven barefoot.
The Bais Yosef writes that from the language of the Tur we can deduce that in countries where it is customary to be barefoot even before dignitaries and heads of state, such as Arabic countries, it would be permitted to daven barefoot.January 17, 2011 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #729171
We have plenty of Minhagim apparently based on neighbors. What is customary among both Sephardim and Muslims most likely stems from the fact that they shared a region and a culture for a very long time. Neither is really based on the other probably.January 17, 2011 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #729172
Health, Are you sure the word is Booveris?? My grandmother used to say BoorvesigJanuary 17, 2011 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #729173
My parents said “boorvesdik” and we were never allowed to go in our socks. They always said it was a sign of aveilis.January 18, 2011 12:05 am at 12:05 am #729174
notI and others-clearly it seems to be a minhag in hungarian jewish circles.btw notI–aveilim never wore shoes and only today when we have plastic do aveilim wear shoes.
lastly- “boorvesdik” and similar expressions mean “bare feet” yiddish-german sounds a lot like english! (boer-fiss,got it?)January 18, 2011 1:36 am at 1:36 am #729175
yes they are very much alike, keep in mind that in German a “v” is pronounced like an “f” in English.
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