What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night?

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  • #1290745

    Kotlorism
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    This is going around. I didn’t write it. Can anyone offer any insight?

    This is important for you to know…. This is what happened last night in the heart of Boro Park at about 2 AM. I heard it from the family.

    A husband came up from his office to his house and found his wife laying unconscious, he ran to the get Hatazalas number… several months earlier his wife put an Ezras Nushim magnet on the fridge, so he called that
    number thinking he is calling hatzala…. he told them that his wife is laying unconscious… after 10 minutes he saw that no one is arriving.. so he realized that he called Ezras Nushim, so he quickly called hatzala. As he
    called Hatzala, Ezras nushim arrived… Hatzala was there in less than a minute, to find the patient in cardiac arrest while the 2 members from ezras nushim were standing and looking at the patient (One of them was in a wedding dress) hatzala immediately started CPR and Needless to say within moments hatzala had Medics and multiple members on the scene.
    10 minutes after hatzala showed up, 911 showed up.
    R’L the women was niftar.

    The reason 911 showed up is because Ezras Nushim when they got the call that a patient is unconscious, they called 911 to come help them.

    Now don’t put up an ezras nushim sticker before you analyze last night’s story…because chas v’shulem if you are in a real emergency
    you will not have time to analyze… you will just dial the number that’s on the sticker of your fridge or phone

    Question 1: Why did it take 10 minutes for ezras Nushim to arrive?

    Question 2: Why did the ezras nushim first responders not start CPR immediately?

    Question 3: When the EN dispatchers got the call and knew this is a serious emergency, why did they call 911 as their backup and not call hatzala? They
    knew pretty well that Hatzala has members awake sitting in a car 2 blocks away? We all know that
    when a patient is in Cardiac Arrest every split second counts, the earlier you start cpr and AED the better chance of survival there is

    Question 4: When the EN members got to the scene and saw that the patient is
    in cardiac arrest, why at that point did they not call Hatzala to help them

    Question 5: Why is hatzala not making a fuss??? Why is hatzala not notifying the public about this? Is this the time for them to be political correct?
    This is literally coming down to life and death situations?

    I am writing this because I myself when I had a certain medical emergency called Ezras Nushim and they nearly killed me. I cannot go into details…
    But at the time I reached out to Hatzala and they said it is up to the patient to decide whom they want to care for them.

    #1290753

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    My insight is not to believe a word, especially since at the end, the person admits to holding a gripe against EN.

    #1290792

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    Fake news. 100% don’t believe the whole “nearly killed me” nonsense at the end.

    Also, newsflash, 10 minutes is NOT a long time. People outside the city wait over 30 minutes; get over your cuddled NYC ways. And, you write about someone leaving their wedding for an emergency call like it’s a bad thing? Waste of forum space.

    #1290793

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    Btw, their numbers are very similar.
    One is 718-232-1300
    One is 718-230-1000

    Honestly, how many of us know which is which without looking it up?

    #1290818

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    get over your cuddled NYC ways? Why should we? For what purpose? To serve a feminist agenda?

    I KNOW NOTHING OF THE STORY!

    #1290823

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Also, newsflash, 10 minutes is NOT a long time.

    It is for someone having a heart attack.

    get over your cuddled NYC ways

    Really? So people in NYC should die in order not to be coddled?

    #1290828

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Can anyone offer any insight?”

    Yes I can! I found it hilarious. Im sure some might find this made up story in poor taste but I found it hilarious. Please keep it up

    #1290850

    2scents
    Participant

    Unfortunately the story is very true. not because of the many photos of the scene that clearly show the EN van, but because of the many members that were on this call.

    EN clearly cannot be held liable from a legal standpoint, they have a protocol and they followed it. its not their fault that the patients family member did not call Hatzalah. But there are major issues with their behavior last night.

    They put their protocol or agenda before patient care. its an undisputed fact that Hatzalah had resources that are adequately equipped and experienced just down the block from this address and can be at the patients side within one or two minutes. yet they clearly ignored this very important fact which possibly resulted in the negative outcome.

    Is their agenda against Hatzalah that big that they place it before a human life??

    Second, from what the people on scene are saying, the two EN responders were not administering CPR they were just standing there shocked not knowing what to do. all of this when there were EMTs and Paramedics within very close proximity.

    If not for EN, the family would have clearly called Hatzalah, in fact I doubt that any person would care which service responds for their loved one when they are in cardiac arrest, they would clearly chose the one that is not only closer and faster, but much more trained and heavily equipped to deal with critical patients and deal with these types of emergencies on a regular basis. No doubt that the caller clearly made a mistake. EN dispatcher and responders clearly knew that they were called in error as they are never called for a nature of such, yet they still followed protocol.

    #1290836

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    I held back from answering cuz i didnt wanna bring attenion to this this thread. Its a shame when chessed organizations dont get along, also peace brings brachah. U say PC i say peace. I get that its a matter of life and thats important and stuff but highly doubt trying to get people in the coffee room angry at both of these organizations wil save the lives u claim to care about.

    #1290855

    2scents
    Participant

    To the poster that said that ten minutes is not a long time.

    The fact that outside of the city it takes 30 minutes for EMS to arrive, does not mean that this patient needs to get this substandard ETA.

    It takes much less than ten minutes for a patient that went into cardiac arrest to be beyond the point of resuscitation. even two minutes is to long.

    Hatzalah is known for its very short response time, this was clearly a nature in which not only minutes can change the outcome of this patient its the seconds that matter.

    Todays standard of care is to have pit crew non-stop CPR, you need a full crew and you need it early for successful resuscitation.

    Yes, people die even with short response times, long response times just makes sure they do not even have a chance. This is one of the perils people living outside of larger cities have to deal with.

    #1290859

    Joseph
    Participant

    The girls from Ezras Noshim were probably shocked at the blood or dire situation so they froze.

    Remind me why EZ exists when we have Hatzalah.

    #1290860

    kollelman
    Participant

    More important that everyone should know CPR. If the husband could have begun (even substandard care), there may have been a chance…

    #1290897

    bk613
    Participant

    “Remind me why EZ exists when we have Hatzalah”
    According to their website they exist for ob/gyn cases.

    #1290898

    bk613
    Participant

    Definitely leaning towards #fakenews, this story isn’t anywhere else on the internet, the details are a little sketchy, the the author admits to being biased.

    #1290933

    Joseph
    Participant

    I trust 2scents, who is a Hatzalah member.

    #1290939

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    If not for Hatzolah not allowing these women to join their organization, there would be no need for Ezras Nashim.

    #1290949

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I heard a very different version of the story. Many details, some extremely significant, did not occur as posted by the OP or by 2scents.

    #1290950

    Joseph
    Participant

    And if not for Hatzolah not allowing goyim to join their organization, there would be no need for EMS?

    #1290951

    bk613
    Participant

    I trust 2scents, who is a Hatzalah member.
    Where did he say that? Besides this is the internet, you can claim whatever you want.

    #1290957

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    Update
    My sources tell me it’s unfortunately true.
    As others have pointed out, the group can’t be held accountable legally. They follow the protocol. The problem is, the protocol isn’t good for this community. They must be held accountable. This isn’t a joke, this isn’t an experiment.

    They have blood on their hands.

    #1290982

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    My sources say that your sources are probably anti EN so they’re not giving accurate​ info, with an agenda. Like that quoted in the OP.

    #1290997

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Thank you Joseph for confirming that women aren’t Jewish.

    #1291011

    Joseph
    Participant

    Wasn’t that popa’s thing?

    #1291108

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    Hmmmm
    Is there a reason why the name of the nifter cannot be mentioned on this post?

    Besides privacy issues, no permission and no real valid reason why it should be mentioned?

    #1291112

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Besides for the aleph beis, the only thing I remember from kindergarten is the song, “two three oh one oh oh oh, thats hatzalahs number, call it in an emergency and youll get help soon youll see.”

    #1291114

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Btw, their numbers are very similar.
    One is 718-232-1300
    One is 718-230-1000

    Will you blame the Brooklyn Public Library system too? Their number is, 718-230-2100

    #1291230

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Kotlorism,

    Question 1: Why did it take 10 minutes for ezras Nushim to arrive?

    I don’t know. Neither do you. Nor does the letter writer. Nor anyone else. What’s the purpose of this question?

    Question 2: Why did the ezras nushim first responders not start CPR immediately?

    I don’t know. The timeline laid out in the letter makes no sense to me. Even if Hatzola had an ambulance just around the corner, less than a minute between call and arrival is quite impressive without teleportation technology.

    Question 3: When the EN dispatchers got the call and knew this is a serious emergency, why did they call 911 as their backup and not call hatzala?

    Is that their protocol? Or is their protocol to tell the caller to hang up and dial 911?

    They knew pretty well that Hatzala has members awake sitting in a car 2 blocks away?

    Are you implying that by joining Ezras Noshim, you are bestowed neviyus?

    Question 4: When the EN members got to the scene and saw that the patient is
    in cardiac arrest, why at that point did they not call Hatzala to help them

    Because according to the timeline, Hatzola was beaming into the room.

    Question 5: Why is hatzala not making a fuss???

    I don’t know. Neither do you. Nor does the letter writer. Nor anyone else other than Hatzola. Why are you posing the question to the CR?

    #1291235

    Joseph
    Participant

    Avram, in the frum neighborhoods of Brooklyn, Hatzalah often arrives in about a minute. This is very possible because there are Hatzalah members distributed within a block of most frum families.

    #1291233

    Meno
    Participant

    I don’t know. Neither do you. Nor does the letter writer. Nor anyone else.

    It’s possible that someone knows.

    I don’t know. Neither do you. Nor does the letter writer. Nor anyone else other than Hatzola.

    Maybe Hatzola is a CR member.

    #1291234

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Neville ChaimBerlin,

    Also, newsflash, 10 minutes is NOT a long time.

    It certainly is in a case of cardiac arrest. I think because of that dispatchers try to walk the caller through starting CPR while waiting for the first responders to arrive.

    People outside the city wait over 30 minutes; get over your cuddled NYC ways.

    Huh? I live outside of NYC, and have never experienced a wait time longer than 5 minutes.

    And, you write about someone leaving their wedding for an emergency call like it’s a bad thing? Waste of forum space.

    Hmm. Leaving a wedding, getting into ambulance, driving to a location who knows how far away, all in 10 minutes. That seems pretty impressive now that I think about it.

    #1291249

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Meno,

    It’s possible that someone knows.

    True, the Ezras Noshim responders would know.

    Maybe Hatzola is a CR member.

    Wouldn’t that affect his 1 minute response time?

    #1291261

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Joseph,

    Avram, in the frum neighborhoods of Brooklyn, Hatzalah often arrives in about a minute. This is very possible because there are Hatzalah members distributed within a block of most frum families.

    Thank you. In that case, I’ll posit that “under a minute” was perhaps counted from the end of the call (i.e., the ambulance was dispatched while the dispatcher was still on the phone). In that case, it still does not make sense to ask why Ezras Noshim did not call Hatzola, because they would have seen that the man was on the phone with them already. I’m perceiving that this unfortunate event is being used as fodder in a “conflict” between Hatzola and Ezras Noshim?

    #1291270

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Joseph, what’s up with the blatant misogyny? You’re usually not like this.

    #1291273

    Joseph
    Participant

    Hatzalah’s call center dispatches the call before hanging up, usually within seconds of getting the address.

    #1291274

    Joseph
    Participant

    RY, most women usually don’t try to show off their manhood.

    #1291275

    Health
    Participant

    Kotlorism -“Question 1: Why did it take 10 minutes for ezras Nushim to arrive? Etc…”

    Why do you make an assumption & ask it in the CR?
    If it’s true, ask the leadership of EN, not the CR! I smell an agenda!
    I personally think that EN should offer an alternative option for EMS, and Not rely on calling EMS or Hatzolah or private ambulance companies!
    Btw, I’m willing to take on running them.

    #1291276

    Health
    Participant

    Avram in MD -“It certainly is in a case of cardiac arrest. I think because of that dispatchers try to walk the caller through starting CPR while waiting for the first responders to arrive.”

    That’s when you call EMS! Hatzolah doesn’t have trained dispatchers.

    #1291289

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Emergency medical care is traditionally a womens’ job. It’s only recently that males started taking over some of the responsibilities of the midwife.

    #1291290

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Btw, I’m willing to take on running them.”

    Great! theyve been scanning the CR eagerly awaiting someone to finally step up (accordign to my sources, if everyone else has sources, I figured I should too)
    Ashrecha!

    #1291294

    apushatayid
    Participant

    From the EN website.

    “The motivation behind Ezras Nashim was to respond to Emergency labor and OB/GYN emergencies; however, to serve the needs of the community, we are also responding to pediatric, adolescent and geriatric emergencies. We also provide follow-up phone calls and visits.”

    #1291295

    Health
    Participant

    DY -“I heard a very different version of the story. Many details, some extremely significant, did not occur as posted by the OP or by 2scents.”

    You forgot to mention Joe!
    He’s the most pro -PC Frummy we have here!

    #1291298

    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“Great! theyve been scanning the CR eagerly awaiting someone to finally step up”

    But not for free! But not 2 million that I’d charge you for my SCOTUS case.
    A normal salary.

    #1291301

    Joseph
    Participant

    Midwifery is a tiny subset of what emergency medical care covers.

    #1291319

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Midwives used to do a lot more than what is now called midwifery. In the old days the midwife was called for all kinds of medical emergencies.

    #1291323

    apushatayid
    Participant

    dont call them if you dont like them. is very simple. it isnt their fault someone doesnt know hatzalas number by heart or that hatzalas stickers are orange and black.

    #1291459

    kollelman
    Participant

    Am I wrong to infer from the initial post, that the woman may have been unconscious for way more than 10 minutes?

    Maybe EN came and found a cold body and realized there wasn’t much to do. Maybe Hatzala still performed CPR, while EN thought there was no point (I’m not aware of the actual protocol and laws regarding making this determination).

    #1291463

    Health
    Participant

    Yidd 23 -“In the old days the midwife was called for all kinds of medical emergencies”

    Nowadays midwives practice medicine alongside doctors and other medical personnel.
    Basically they practice regular medicine in the Ob/gyn area, not other areas.
    But I don’t think they are involved in Ob/gyn surgery.

    #1291482

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    Its so funny how the people that expect everyone to foresee all consequences of their actions could care less about starting controversies.

    #1291491

    2scents
    Participant

    Seems like the OP just copy/pasted one of the messages that were circulating on social media and chat groups, I do not think that the OP actually asked the CR any of those questions.

    While I agree that some questions are not on target, there are many issues and unanswered questions.

    For one, why do they call 911? weren’t they boasting in news articles and interviews about one year ago about their affiliation with East Midwood ambulance? what happened with the senior care relationship? do they call 911 instead of the patient or their family members??

    If their only resource for transporting acutely ill patients and getting advanced life support to the patients location from FDNY (911), why don’t they explain this very important fact on their website, so that in case of a real emergency one should call 911 first and only if anyone wants their service, which seems like a bridge until EMS arrives, to contact EN. Otherwise precious time is wasted when the EN dispatcher has to collect vital information then pass it one as a 3rd party to the 911 call center.

    #1291496

    2scents
    Participant

    Being cold is not a criteria for not doing CPR, I cannot post links but you can do a quick google, especially not under the New York State BLS protocols under which EN operate.

    The other signs of certain death, take time to set in.

    The saying goes, your not dead, until your warm and dead.

    In fact, hospitals that were doing the hypothermia protocol for patients in cardiac arrest, had to work up the patient until they were warm, which would take a long time and made the staff go through many code carts.

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