What was Cruz thinking

Health

“There is such a thing as a democratic process.”

True!

“The running for democratic primary is supposed to be democratic.”

says who? It wasnt always this way (I believe it began in the 60’s), it isnt that way in most countries.

” Not just so who follows the party – line for line.”

It doesnt have to be “line for line”

But doesnt it bother you that your party’s nominee didnt agree with your party’s platform on almost ANYTHING until 2015 and still differs on many

eg: Iraq war, impeaching Bush, Free trade?

“These parties are based on democratic principles.”

As usual, you dont know what you are talking about. The party is a private entity and is free to make their own rules. In fact as you may have noticed each state has its own system. Some have primaries some have caucuses some have both. Washington has a primary that deosnt count

Some states divide up the delegates proportionally some are winner take all, some are a mix.

Of course then there are the superdelegates.

And on the Republican side too. As Trump realized and whined late in the game, the process isnt fair. If Trump hadnt won in the first round the delegates become “unbound” and are free to wote for whomever they want. Sadly for the gOP leadership (and perhaps for America,)

this didnt happen

Here are a few actual examples:

Sanders won Wyoming Caucus by 12 % points. Yet Hillary got 11 delegates and Bernie 7

Trump won the Louisiana Primary yet of the unbound delegates 18 went to Cruz and 9 to Trump.

and for a real headache try to figure out how Nevada decides

In no way is the process democratic. That you think it is shows how little you know about the priamry system as it has always existed both before its change in 1968 and after.

“Obviously you don’t understand this, whether this applies to Trump or to Sanders!”

i understand it quite well. And thats why the Democrats didnt get stuck with Sanders, while the Republicans are stuck with Trump

Lol health

you are confusing primaries with national elections.

You can argue for reform that primaries should have democratic rules. Fine, you arent the first but that isnt how it is set up, nor has it ever been. Please note we are discussing the primaries as they are today in 2016. Not how they SHOULD be in your perfect world. As they exist now the process sint democratic few think it is. That you thought it was, just shows you dont know much on the subject. who would make those rules? The Federal government? So in your mind there should be two national elections one for the nominee then another for the president. you do know that isnt in the constitution at all, right? In fact the whole notion of political parties isnt mentioned in the constitution.

“If you don’t like Trump, too bad!”

It’s not that I dont like him (though I really really dont) It is that he is not a Republican and certainly not a conservative. I didnt like George W. Bush either, but he didnt hijack and trick a party.

“Most Republicans voted for him.”

They have been tricked. The evangelicals think they are getting a G-d fearing individual have been tricked. The conservatives who think they are getting a limited-govt conservative have been tricked. And for that matter, the anti-semites who think they are getting a 4th Reich have (probably) been tricked.

“There are places for people like you, like N. Korea!”

um wrong, North Korea doesnt have elections. However there are NO places for people like you, since to the best of my knowledge NO country has mass voting in their primaries (please share any country that does)

Health

Are you aware that there are countries beside for the US and North Korea?

nowhere did I say I am opposed to elections, that you came to that conclusion shows how little you know on the subject.

voting for president is a constitutional right. That is not what we are discussing and that hasnt taken place yet for 2016.

I realize you are confused since there has been much talk so far about presedintial election. Yet that is still a few months away. ALL the voting so far has been to nominate candidates to run for president. NOT for president. Nobody has yet voted for Trump to be president.

If this confuses you in aany way please let me know.

Know the nominees are chosen by a party. There is no constitutional right to elect a party’s nominee. Each party is free to make their own rules. Since the 60’s the party’s began a process that appears democratic but as explained above isnt, really. see here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-was-cruz-thinking/page/2#post-616434.

you where right about that last statment. I was wrong when I said “NO country has mass voting in their primaries” I meant no OTHER countries. I’m sorry if that confused you.

However the bottom line is, even though it might seem Democratic, the primary process isnt at all. The parties make the rules and can decide how they see fit.