Wife Driving or Husband Driving?

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  • #1504623

    TheWizard
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    This question is for the more Yeshivish people. I know that for the more modern families this is a non-issue.

    Is it hashkaficaly appropriate that when the husband and wife go out together with the car or minivan that barring extenuating circumstances (e.g. the husband is tired or incapable) that the husband as a general rule should be driving rather than the wife driving the husband?

    #1504750

    Toi
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    I think you’re trying to make regular machoness into hashkafa. Most men will want to drive because they feel all the wonderful male feelings associated with being in charge. Also, women in general stink at driving, so most men will probably want to put themselves in the best position to get home alive, ie., they drive.

    You’re trying to avoid taking out the garbage, that’s all.

    #1504755

    Takes2-2tango
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    Is it ok halachikly for the husband to sit in the the back and the wife in the front in a self sriven vehicle?

    #1504756

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    As a general rule, there doesn’t have to be a general rule. If you have two drivers, whoever wants to drive drives.

    #1504770

    Avram in MD
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    TheWizard,

    “Is it hashkaficaly appropriate that when the husband and wife go out together with the car or minivan”

    Car or minivan, husband should drive. Anything bigger (e.g., 12 passenger Ford Transit, Nissan NV, etc.) wife should drive. This is because of Toi’s point. The stinky driving, which is a liability in small vehicles, becomes an asset in larger vehicles, since people will move out of the way and you will get to your destination more quickly.

    #1504772

    The little I know
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    Can’t someone post questions about life that actually matter and deserve discussion? One must have an awful lot of free time to entertain conversation about this post.

    #1504759

    Phil
    Participant

    In non-Chasidic, yeshiva communities in the U.S., there is no objection whatsoever to women driving. Of course, a few people like Joseph decry this reality as immoral and think everyone should pretend to be Chassidim, but who cares?

    #1504771

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    The Saudi crown prince, who is now visiting the U.S., just announced that Saudi women will be able to drive by themselves w/o a male relative escorting them in the vehicle. I’m not sure how many Yeshivish families hold by Wahabi hashkafah but what is now becoming mutar in Riyadh b’yh might someday also be the norm in Willy and Monsey.

    #1504788

    Meno
    Participant

    The little I know,

    You must be new here. Welcome to the Coffee Room!

    #1504814

    JJ2020
    Participant

    Neither men nor women should drive. The car should drive itself.

    #1504824

    CTLAWYER
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    Mrs. CTL wouldn’t be caught dead in a minivan.

    Spring is in the air, the 1971 V12 Jaguar E Type convertible is out of winter storage and on the road (she’s had it since it was new).
    BTW, it’s yeshivish Black, not bright red

    #1504841

    Teal
    Participant

    Toi, you’re a troll and should be banned from ywcr.

    #1504823

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @toi
    What a despicable sexist remark about women drivers.
    My wife and daughters are excellent drivers.
    I much prefer to have MRS. CTL drive and I can relax.

    #1504887

    klugeryid
    Participant

    What’s wrong with a mini van?

    #1504902

    Toi
    Participant

    @Teal and @CTLAWYER- I get it, you guys are new here.

    You don’t know me or my style. That’s okay. Just chill and understand I’m usually or at least always posting tongue in cheek.

    Actually, on second thought, I am a sexist troll. Stinks for you snowflakes, I guess.

    And honestly, there’s nothing sexist about saying women can’t drive as well as men. Just like it’s not racist to say that young black males commit a disproportionate amount of crimes. It’s just life.

    #1504922

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @toi

    I am far from new here…………………..
    Your remarks are both sexist and inaccurate.
    If women were far worse drivers than men, young females would be charged far more than young males when they purchase insurance and start to drive.
    BUT>>>>16-25 year old males are charged much more, they have a far higher accident rate and commit far more violations of the driving laws/statutes.

    I have one associate in my firm that handles driving infractions/citations?DUI, etc in local traffic courts. 70% of those seeking representation are male.

    “Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) released a report on gender-specific traffic deaths in America, segueing in with the fact that “many more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes.” It’s a fact that cannot be ignored, as studies from numerous publications prove that because men typically drive more than women and tend to engage in more risky driving practices, they stand a much higher chance of getting killed in an accident.

    The NHTSA reports that traffic accidents were up across the board in 2015, with testosterone-fueled hoopleheads leading the reckless charge. Findings show that men are far more likely to skip safety belts entirely, drive while impaired by alcohol and/or drugs, and speed, making crashes that much more severe than those involving female drivers”

    #1504923

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @klugeryid………………..
    I didn’t say anything is wrong with a minivan, they are not Mrs. CTL’s style (nor mine).
    We are old enough that back when we had a carload of our own children they still made full size 9 passenger station wagons. We owned one of those. I always had a Full-sized 6 passenger sedan with 8 cylinder power.

    Living in the country, we did not need cars that fit into restrictive city parking spaces.
    None of our children have owned minivans, they have had SUVs (with three rows of seats if needed).

    #1504925

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Toi, are you basing this on my thread?

    #1504924

    iacisrmma
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    CTL is definitely not new here. My wife prefers to drive especially long distance trips. My sister has always been a beter driver than I am.

    #1504954

    DovidBT
    Participant

    The problem with women drivers is not that they have accidents, but rather that they cause others to have accidents.

    #1504946

    Joseph
    Participant

    CTL, your stats ignore or gloss over the fact that men have 50% more average annual miles driven on America’s road’s than women, with men representing about 60% of drivers on the road, according to data from the Federal Highway Administration. So obviously men are charged more for insurance since on average they drive so much more and are thus more likely to be involved in incidents.

    #1504947

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    If women were far worse drivers than men, young females would be charged far more than young males when they purchase insurance and start to drive.

    Not necessarily. Men drive more.

    BUT>>>>16-25 year old males are charged much more, they have a far higher accident rate and commit far more violations of the driving laws/statutes.

    They drive more.

    Let’s grant that male drivers are less responsible than female drivers. In a comparison of responsible drivers, do you think it’s possible that men would come out as better drivers?

    #1504965

    Joseph
    Participant

    By per miles driven, men are safer drivers.

    #1504962

    JJ2020
    Participant

    CTL – I’ve heard from at least a few females who cry and or flirt their way out of tickets. I’ve never heard such a thing about men. Couldn’t that affect the statistics?

    #1504972

    klugeryid
    Participant

    CTlawyer
    With backwards facing rear seat? Or did you have the luxury model with split side facing seats?
    Oh the days!!
    No sweeter sound than the start of a v8 grand marquis engine

    #1504979

    Toi
    Participant

    New is a relative term. You’re pretty new, too.

    My remarks were both sexist and accurate.

    This place is not so so fun anymore….

    #1505014

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @klugeryid
    Until Chrysler downsized with the unfortunate K-Cars, I drove an Imperial and Mrs. CTL had a New Yorker Station Wagon with a rear facing seat.
    I switched to a Lincoln Continental Town Car and Mrs. CTL got a Mercury Colony Park Station Wagon (there was no Lincoln station wagon) with the twin rear seats that faced each other.

    Once the eldest children were no longer at home, I switched to a Jaguar XJ8 Vanden Plas and Mrs. CTL drove Lincoln Aviators and when discontinued MKX.
    The Aviator is coming back next year and she has expressed interest in the new design.

    I love the 5.0 V8 engine you reference and have owned cars with it including a Mustang GT, Colony Park, Lincoln Town Car. In 2002, the dealer tried to sell me a Continental saying it was better styling and less boxy than the Town Car. I took a test drive and said no. The 4.6 V* did not cut it.
    I drive less than 5000 miles per year, so gas cost is not a real consideration. I want full power, no little egine souped up with turbocharging for me.

    #1505062

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    CTLAWYER,

    I like minivans and vans, and so does my wife. And if I drove a Jaguar sports car or a super-luxury car around town, I think my face would be beet red. To each his own.

    #1505065

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Also, you do realize that Toi was responding sarcastically to the OP, right?

    #1505074

    Joseph
    Participant

    Isn’t it strange that state laws allow insurance companies to discriminate auto insurance premiums based upon gender but not based upon race?

    #1505233

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @Avram
    Our Jaguars are not considered super luxury cars in our town. Lots of Maseratis, Lambos, Bentley. Ferraris in town.
    The average 17 year old at the public high school is driving a BMW 3 series or Audi A6.
    Minvans are usually driven by the soccer moms who used to drive Volvo station wagons

    #1505259

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Joseph,

    “Isn’t it strange that state laws allow insurance companies to discriminate auto insurance premiums based upon gender but not based upon race?”

    Health insurance used to charge women higher premiums than men, until Obamacare made it illegal to do so. Are you proposing new Federal regulations of the auto insurance industry… Obamacar?

    #1505256

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    CTLAWYER,

    “The average 17 year old at the public high school is driving a BMW 3 series or Audi A6.”

    High school parking lots are where cars go to become transformed into golf balls. The body shop owners in your town must be millionaires.

    #1505267

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The body shop owners in your town must be millionaires.

    That’s why their kids are driving Audis and BMWs.

    #1505275

    Joseph
    Participant

    Avram: “Health insurance used to charge women higher premiums than men, until Obamacare made it illegal to do so. Are you proposing new Federal regulations of the auto insurance industry… Obamacar?”

    No, I’m proposing the law be consistent. Either allow insurance carriers to discriminate premiums based on gender and race or disallow either. (And I’m not specifying whether this should be a state or federal law issue. As it is auto insurance is a state law issue, so I’d expect my proposal to be a matter of state not federal law.) If it were to allow either, rather than disallow both, it would effectively be a deregulation.

    #1505299

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @Avram
    I was in local government a long time, There is no history of damage/accidents in our High school parking lot. Students actually have to apply for and are assigned parking spaces. It is well patrolled and under video surveillance.
    Our youngest two daughters went to yeshiva high school in the morning and took AP classes in the high school during the afternoon. Both drove themselves in own cars junior and senior year, never had as much as a nick.
    Not unusual for the sports teams to hold car was/detail fundraisers there. Park your car, pay a $10 fee, come out after school top a bright and shiny and well vacuumed car.

    #1505344

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    The majority of car accidents involve women.

    #1505346

    Meno
    Participant

    The majority of car accidents involve men.

    #1505356

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Start a thread about that.

    #1505361

    Joseph
    Participant

    The majority of car accidents involve fuel.

    #1505380

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The majority of car accidents involve meno.

    I would suggest you start taking the subway.

    #1505410

    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    This is the reason for the shidduch crisis.
    Women banned from driving.

    #1505427

    Joseph
    Participant

    This is the reason for the shidduch crisis.
    Women banned from driving.

    If they weren’t banned, the girl would drive the guy on the date?

    #1505476

    Midwest2
    Participant

    Insurance companies are in business to make money, and they use actuaries – specialized mathematicians – to figure out how much to charge in what circumstances in order to make a profit. Their premiums are based on how much money they have to pay out in claims for a particular demographic. So if men are charged more for insurance it’s because men – especially 15-30 – cost the company more in claims than other groups. So either they’re having more accidents or the ones they’re having cost more. It’s plain old capitalist logic.

    #1505483

    sissel613_
    Participant

    Seriously???We both take turns depending on where one of us needs to go. You sound like a very chauvinistic
    person. Why, in the world, does it matter who is driving the car/mini van/van? You must be one of those men who won’t even take out the garbage because”Es pos nisht for a ben Torah.” But it’s ok if the wife goes out to work to support YOU when you are sitting and learning. According to the kesuba, it says all the things that the husband is responsible –not the other way around, You’re supposed to provide her living quarters, her jewelery
    How are you planning to do this? With the money she is going out to earn? Oh, yes, I forgot—according to Halacha , she doesn’t own anything–the money that she works for really belongs to you. I’m sorry–this isn’t Yiddishkeit–this is krumkeit. Get over it and man up.

    #1505492

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Woman no good for driving. Woman have baby, clean house and be breadwinner.

    #1505516

    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    The majority of car accidents involve aliens.

    #1505568

    Meno
    Participant

    The majority of car accidents involve aliens.

    I wouldn’t be too sure about this. Even if there are aliens out there somewhere, It would be very unlikely that they have cars.

    #1505573

    Joseph
    Participant

    That’s why The Donald is shutting the floodgates of aliens and deporting the illegals.

    #1505576

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    sissel613_,

    “Seriously???”

    No, not at all.

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