Yeshiva homeschool?

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  • #1313876
    Lightbrite
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    Can one homeschool Yeshiva? Or does Yeshiva have to be in an institution?

    What if there are many male siblings, may their rabbi father homeschool them?

    Do men get a Yeshiva-version diploma? If so, is there a Yeshiva-version GED for homeschooled Yeshiva bochurim?

    Thank you ☺

    #1313899
    Joseph
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    Yes, doable with father or other person as rebbi. But in real life it is exceedingly difficult to actually pull this off. And is rather rare.

    #1313978
    WinnieThePooh
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    LB, that was the way it worked for generations- or if the father could not, he hired a melamed (teacher) for his children. Organized yeshivos for children is a relatively “new” thing- I would guess a couple of hundred years or so. Today it is done in families that live in places without decent yeshivos- for example, in a kiruv community where the rest of the kids are not at the level of the children of the rabbanim/kiruv workers in the community, the father might supplement the boys’ kodesh education until they are old enough to go away from home.
    The only “dilpoma” given out by a yeshiva is semicha, and that requires a specific course of advanced study focused on Halacha and its applications. Bachelor degrees can also be given for Talmudic studies (BTL), but nothing official at the lower levels.

    #1314020
    Lightbrite
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    WTP: Wow! Thank you. Just to make sure I understand please, not everyone who attends yeshiva gets semicha right?

    If someone is going for semicha, how does that work? Is there a “semicha track,” like in college where one can take a series of courses to be on track for a bachelor’s of arts in sociology, etc.?

    And if someone doesn’t get semicha, he can learn without accumulating “course credits”? But he still has grades and tests?

    Thanks again ☺

    #1314832
    WinnieThePooh
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    The Yeshiva guys out there will better answer your questions- but in general, most people learning in Yeshiva are not learning for semicha- they are learning gemara, not shulchan aruch/halacaha. there are special programs/kollels for those who want to study for semicha, for example to become a Rav or Rabbinical Judge.
    Generally, yeshivos for adults are not structured like college and don’t have grades and tests or official courses. The day is broken up into 3 parts- or sedorim- morning, afternoon and night. Most of that time is spent learning a specific tractate of Gemara in pairs with a study partner. There can also be a daily shiur given by the Rosh Yeshiva on the Gemara that the pair prepared. There are some kollels that do have some sort of test and will give a stipend or bonus based on performance. And there are global organizations, like Dirshu -not affiliated with a particular yeshiva- that encourage men to learn independently according to a certain program, and then administer tests periodically. there is usually some sort of financial reward for those who do well on the test.

    #1314997
    WolfishMusings
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    Thank you. Just to make sure I understand please, not everyone who attends yeshiva gets semicha right?

    Correct. I attended yeshiva and did not receive semicha. Furthermore, I protest whenever anyone calls me “Rabbi” precisely because I have not earned the title.*

    (And those who excuse it by saying “but we call everyone rabbi nowadays” are only helping to cheapen the credential for those who *do* put in the effort to earn it.)

    The Wolf

    * However, I will admit that there are certain times when a person should be called “Rabbi X” even if he didn’t earn it. A grade school rebbe is the prime example, IMHO. His talmidim should call him “Rabbi X” even if he is not, actually, a rabbi. But he should only use the title ex officio.

    #1315038
    Mammele
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    Wolfish: actually it says in Pirkei Avos that anyone from whom one has learned even one thing is worthy to be called Rebbe. So you definitely qualify here.

    Additionally, part of your post seems to be almost verbatim of a previous post of yours. Since I remembered it, you must actually be a great Rebbe.

    But I’m not going to hurt you and refer to you as such, as רצונו של אדם זה כבודו.

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