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May 19, 2025 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #2400789sensibleyidParticipant
let me dispel the arguments against this:
Many non religious currently eating kosher food by accident or people who prefer kosher but wont spend extra or be inconvenienced.
I don’t think its worth the minimal zchus vs forcing citizens who don’t want to pay for it. With the rabbanut gone peoples religious conscious may reawaken by the new choices they face. OU and many other Kashrus agencies will have larger market to grow. kashrus agencies will be encouraged to charitably cover non profitable deals with establishment/industries that lack religious clientele as they do in the US.Kosher Marriages:
This will force all the rabbis in the country to agree upon a minimal standard of Jewish Marriage. People will be allowed to have secular marriage but it won’t be sanctioned by the unified religious marriage. This might one day be the basis of a Sanhedrin.While abolishing the Rabbanut we could bargain to end funding for abortion or other toeiva.
May 20, 2025 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #2400964akupermaParticipantThe idea of the Rabbanut (meaning the government agency) was to keep the Hareidim in line, since if Jews followed traditional system, the Gadol Ha-Dor (who was unlikely to be pro-Zionist) would be the de facto leader of the Jewish community (and the thought of the Hazon Ish or the Satmar Rebbe having serious influence was terrifying – remember the Zionists had to shoot Jacob Israel De Haan who was the shliach of the gedolim). The fact that most Shomer Shabbos Israelis support the regime, and serve in the army, shows the Rabbanut has fulfilled its primary mission. While there are Gedolim in Eretz Yisrael, they have little or no involvement in running the political system or the economy, and for most Israelis, the Zionist dream of a nation free of the yoke of Torah has been realized.
To eliminate the secular stranglehold on Israeli life it would be necessary to convince the seculars to emigrate (perhaps as part of a peace agreement in which the goyim pay them oodles of money to relocate, combined with agreements of western countries to accept them as immigrants). It should be noted the emigration of secular Israelis is common, and many are well established in their new homelands.. In such a scenario, the idea of an autonomous Jewish homeland, dominated by Daas Torah, could co-exist with a Palestinian/Islamic state on the theory that Haredim don’t feel the need to run the government. If would be similar to the pre-zionist status quo when Turkey was the colonial power and Jews didn’t get involved in Ottoman politics. An advantage of being part of an Islamic state, even though it would mean limited civil rights for Jews, would be the prohibition of abortion and other toeiva (note the such bans would be an anathema to the Zionists).
May 20, 2025 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #2401194Menachem ShmeiParticipantמעלין בקודש ואין מורידין
While abolishing the Rabbanut we could bargain to end funding for abortion or other toeiva.
It is wrong to imagine that giving in to secular demands in one area will convince them to “balance out” by strengthening religion in other areas.
May 20, 2025 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #2401217mentsch1ParticipantI have many MO relatives in Israel. Lets label them efrat jews. Who “bshita” only eat regular rabbanut (meaning a large percentage of the extended family wont eat at their weddings). If the Rabbanut didnt exist, I do not see them getting more frum nor strengthening their standards in kashrus. I see them accepting tzohar or some similar organization.
And on the other end of the spectrum do you really see chareidi kashrus organizations uniting? Whenever I go to israel, according to my charedi relatives, I cant eat anywhere. Even the biggest name hashgochos “have issues” the mashgiach there cant be trusted and the mashgiach there cant be trusted. It kinda makes me sick how fractured it is. -
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